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Definitely not, it's not the same mental state, one is pleasant the other one not.

deepnet 11y ago
There is no disagreement, that is what I said. Mental state is perception, and this can change from one moment to the next but the excitement/ fear being a hormonal state takes time to subside.
- Dylan16807 11y ago
  You can use excitement as a broad category that includes good and bad, but there are definitely different hormonal mixes, some that are pleasant and some that are painful, and the difference is not perception.
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  - deepnet 11y ago
    I agree and I am certain that everyone's experiences vary. For instance some people enjoy things they consider frightening - others hate it. My suggestion is that there is not a direct causal link between a higher or lower level of seratonin and a mental state called anxiety. The same bodily state can enjoin one to flight or fight. Attitude, history, personality, self-belief and training can alter ones attitude to the same hormonal situation. Changing the way one thinks about things can be very effective. I do not mean to trivialise such a change, this can require professional help, such as congitive behavioral therapy. I posit there is not a one-to-one correlation between seratonin level and a mental state ( fright or excite ) but that other factors confound it. Perhaps this is why these studies have come to seemingly contradictory ideas about seratonin levels and mental states ? Links between the chemistry of the brain and distinct mental states seems less well established than proponents of the 'chemical-imbalance' school of therapy maintain.
    - Dylan16807 11y ago
      I understand you when you say there isn't a direct link between serotonin and anxiety. I don't understand how that bears any relation to whether anxiety and positive-excitement are the same thing. Also, when I'm excited in a happy way, I don't feel the compounding negative effects of stress hormones. You think that's all perception?

There is no disagreement, that is what I said. Mental state is perception, and this can change from one moment to the next but the excitement/ fear being a hormonal state takes time to subside.

Dylan16807 11y ago
You can use excitement as a broad category that includes good and bad, but there are definitely different hormonal mixes, some that are pleasant and some that are painful, and the difference is not perception.
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- deepnet 11y ago
  I agree and I am certain that everyone's experiences vary. For instance some people enjoy things they consider frightening - others hate it. My suggestion is that there is not a direct causal link between a higher or lower level of seratonin and a mental state called anxiety. The same bodily state can enjoin one to flight or fight. Attitude, history, personality, self-belief and training can alter ones attitude to the same hormonal situation. Changing the way one thinks about things can be very effective. I do not mean to trivialise such a change, this can require professional help, such as congitive behavioral therapy. I posit there is not a one-to-one correlation between seratonin level and a mental state ( fright or excite ) but that other factors confound it. Perhaps this is why these studies have come to seemingly contradictory ideas about seratonin levels and mental states ? Links between the chemistry of the brain and distinct mental states seems less well established than proponents of the 'chemical-imbalance' school of therapy maintain.
  - Dylan16807 11y ago
    I understand you when you say there isn't a direct link between serotonin and anxiety. I don't understand how that bears any relation to whether anxiety and positive-excitement are the same thing. Also, when I'm excited in a happy way, I don't feel the compounding negative effects of stress hormones. You think that's all perception?