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Be safe and go low-fat whole plant vegan. Statistically, the healthiest option for you.

by tkyjonathan 11y ago

drcube 11y ago
Statistically, eh? Got a cite?
- pjonesdotca 11y ago
  here are several http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/dxrates http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/dxrates
  - nostrebored 11y ago
    Most of which are terrible. Population studies are generally awful, especially when you're using the population of people on a restrictive diet vs. people eating whatever the hell they want to. Especially when you consider the number of vegans who are actually active vs. the rest of the population, which is quite substantial in my anecdotal experience. I think what you can see from these studies is that avoiding processed foods, being a healthy weight, and being active are good for you. Also, what about the studies showing the children of vegan (it might even be vegetarian, can't recall) mothers have lower birth weights, IQs, and are shorter than the general population? What about the rates of B-Vitamin anemia? I think that the benefits of being a vegan are the benefits of being concerned with your health. I'd be interested to see a comparison between an equally fastidious group of meat eaters.
gadders 11y ago
Only if you want to look emaciated.
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  Jokes on you. I know powerlifters who are deadlifting hundreds of lbs, and they only consume a vegan plant-based diet (google "vegan powerlifting"). Animal proteins are an inefficient method of consuming nutrients. You may like meat, but its not efficient, and data has shown that it can cause cancer in your GI tract given enough time. EDIT: There's a reason Soylent is vegan; not to appease animal lovers, but because its healthier for you and more efficient. [1] http://blog.soylent.com/post/102285900727/announcing-soylent-1-2-development-of-the-soylent http://blog.soylent.com/post/102285900727/announcing-soylent...
  - stinos 11y ago
    Animal proteins are an inefficient method of consuming nutrients Care to explain why exactly? I've always been thaught - ok, doesn't mean it's correct, or related, which is why I'm asking - that one difference between meat and vegetable eaters is the length of the large/small intestines: shorter for 'pure' meat eaters like cats, longer for herbivores like cows. And somewhere in the middle for humans as they are considered omnivores. Reason for this would be that it takes longer to digest/break down plants, which I assume is done by the intestines to extract nutrients for it?
    - toomuchtodo 11y ago
      http://www.earth-policy.org/books/pb2/pb2ch9_ss4 http://www.earth-policy.org/books/pb2/pb2ch9_ss4
  - gadders 11y ago
    Efficient how? You could make an argument that eating meat is a less efficient use of resources such as land and water, but I doubt that eating a whole meat-protein full of the correct amino acids is less efficient than eating a combination of vegetable proteins to get the same effect. And yes, you do get vegan powerlifters, but they are very much the minority and an outlier.
    - toomuchtodo 11y ago
      > but I doubt that eating a whole meat-protein full of the correct amino acids is less efficient than eating a combination of vegetable proteins to get the same effect. It is entirely possible to have a complete diet, "correct amino acids" and all from a vegan plant-based nutritional plan. Pubmed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/
      - gadders 11y ago
        I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying it's more difficult.
nsxwolf 11y ago
Even if what you say is true, quality of life must still be balanced with quantity of life. Your food is disgusting, full stop. I am not interested in living without food that tastes good.
- LordKano 11y ago
  It's completely subjective. Some people like the taste. If someone wants to go full vegan, good for them. Just don't try to force that choice on everyone.
  - nsxwolf 11y ago
    Obviously no one short of a tyrant can actually force veganism on anyone, but vegans saying "eat like me or die" is close enough.
    - LordKano 11y ago
      Oh, there are "ethical vegans" who would, if they could get a 51% majority, make the consumption of meat illegal. They're the "meat is murder!!!!" types. I don't have a problem with the "I have made a personal choice to not eat animal products" type of people.
  - jdhawk 11y ago
    > Just don't try to force that choice on everyone. You're missing one of the primary tenets of being a vegan
- stinos 11y ago
  Maybe you just never had a properly cooked vegan meal. Seriously, tastes may differ, but it's simply hard to believe there is no vegan food out there at all that you would not like. (for the record, I do eat meat)
  - fl0wenol 11y ago
    Maybe you can make really good vegan dishes, but for myself there is no competition for animal fat for many existing types of cuisine, both in the preparation stage and in the flavor/mouthfeel of the final product. I'd even say there's legitimate reasons to use MSG for certain preparations and flavors. Sparingly, mind you.
smtddr 11y ago
Meh, I think the whole low/non-fat trend is also a scam.... but who knows. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/why-eating-a-low-fat-diet_b_634011.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/why-eating-a-low... http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2013/07/02/lowfat-milk-may-not-be-as-healthy-as-we-thought-says-harvard-expert/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2013/07/02/lowfat-...
Shivetya 11y ago
yet humans supposedly increased in brain size by eating meats, oh it reduced stomach sizes too. I tend to low fat vegetarian, though dairy is kept, but even I won't forgo meat all year round. It is silly to do so. The key as with all foods is moderation http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/04/eating-meat-led-to-smaller-stomachs-bigger-brains/ http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/04/eating-meat-le...
- reagency 11y ago
  Yes, whole meat is a great choice when you live in Savannah and there is no produce besides grass. Not hamburgers and bacon. For the rest of us, there are vegetables and grains.
ams6110 11y ago
Disagree. Humans have always been omnivores.

Be safe and go low-fat whole plant vegan. Statistically, the healthiest option for you.

drcube 11y ago

Statistically, eh? Got a cite?

pjonesdotca 11y ago
here are several http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/dxrates http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/dxrates
- nostrebored 11y ago
  Most of which are terrible. Population studies are generally awful, especially when you're using the population of people on a restrictive diet vs. people eating whatever the hell they want to. Especially when you consider the number of vegans who are actually active vs. the rest of the population, which is quite substantial in my anecdotal experience. I think what you can see from these studies is that avoiding processed foods, being a healthy weight, and being active are good for you. Also, what about the studies showing the children of vegan (it might even be vegetarian, can't recall) mothers have lower birth weights, IQs, and are shorter than the general population? What about the rates of B-Vitamin anemia? I think that the benefits of being a vegan are the benefits of being concerned with your health. I'd be interested to see a comparison between an equally fastidious group of meat eaters.

gadders 11y ago

Only if you want to look emaciated.

toomuchtodo 11y ago
Jokes on you. I know powerlifters who are deadlifting hundreds of lbs, and they only consume a vegan plant-based diet (google "vegan powerlifting"). Animal proteins are an inefficient method of consuming nutrients. You may like meat, but its not efficient, and data has shown that it can cause cancer in your GI tract given enough time. EDIT: There's a reason Soylent is vegan; not to appease animal lovers, but because its healthier for you and more efficient. [1] http://blog.soylent.com/post/102285900727/announcing-soylent-1-2-development-of-the-soylent http://blog.soylent.com/post/102285900727/announcing-soylent...
- stinos 11y ago
  Animal proteins are an inefficient method of consuming nutrients Care to explain why exactly? I've always been thaught - ok, doesn't mean it's correct, or related, which is why I'm asking - that one difference between meat and vegetable eaters is the length of the large/small intestines: shorter for 'pure' meat eaters like cats, longer for herbivores like cows. And somewhere in the middle for humans as they are considered omnivores. Reason for this would be that it takes longer to digest/break down plants, which I assume is done by the intestines to extract nutrients for it?
  - toomuchtodo 11y ago
    http://www.earth-policy.org/books/pb2/pb2ch9_ss4 http://www.earth-policy.org/books/pb2/pb2ch9_ss4
- gadders 11y ago
  Efficient how? You could make an argument that eating meat is a less efficient use of resources such as land and water, but I doubt that eating a whole meat-protein full of the correct amino acids is less efficient than eating a combination of vegetable proteins to get the same effect. And yes, you do get vegan powerlifters, but they are very much the minority and an outlier.
  - toomuchtodo 11y ago
    > but I doubt that eating a whole meat-protein full of the correct amino acids is less efficient than eating a combination of vegetable proteins to get the same effect. It is entirely possible to have a complete diet, "correct amino acids" and all from a vegan plant-based nutritional plan. Pubmed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/
    - gadders 11y ago
      I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying it's more difficult.

nsxwolf 11y ago

Even if what you say is true, quality of life must still be balanced with quantity of life. Your food is disgusting, full stop. I am not interested in living without food that tastes good.

LordKano 11y ago
It's completely subjective. Some people like the taste. If someone wants to go full vegan, good for them. Just don't try to force that choice on everyone.
- nsxwolf 11y ago
  Obviously no one short of a tyrant can actually force veganism on anyone, but vegans saying "eat like me or die" is close enough.
  - LordKano 11y ago
    Oh, there are "ethical vegans" who would, if they could get a 51% majority, make the consumption of meat illegal. They're the "meat is murder!!!!" types. I don't have a problem with the "I have made a personal choice to not eat animal products" type of people.
- jdhawk 11y ago
  > Just don't try to force that choice on everyone. You're missing one of the primary tenets of being a vegan
stinos 11y ago
Maybe you just never had a properly cooked vegan meal. Seriously, tastes may differ, but it's simply hard to believe there is no vegan food out there at all that you would not like. (for the record, I do eat meat)
- fl0wenol 11y ago
  Maybe you can make really good vegan dishes, but for myself there is no competition for animal fat for many existing types of cuisine, both in the preparation stage and in the flavor/mouthfeel of the final product. I'd even say there's legitimate reasons to use MSG for certain preparations and flavors. Sparingly, mind you.

smtddr 11y ago

Meh, I think the whole low/non-fat trend is also a scam.... but who knows. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/why-eating-a-low-fat-diet_b_634011.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/why-eating-a-low... http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2013/07/02/lowfat-milk-may-not-be-as-healthy-as-we-thought-says-harvard-expert/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2013/07/02/lowfat-...

Shivetya 11y ago

yet humans supposedly increased in brain size by eating meats, oh it reduced stomach sizes too. I tend to low fat vegetarian, though dairy is kept, but even I won't forgo meat all year round. It is silly to do so. The key as with all foods is moderation http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/04/eating-meat-led-to-smaller-stomachs-bigger-brains/ http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/04/eating-meat-le...

reagency 11y ago
Yes, whole meat is a great choice when you live in Savannah and there is no produce besides grass. Not hamburgers and bacon. For the rest of us, there are vegetables and grains.

ams6110 11y ago

Disagree. Humans have always been omnivores.