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>> "No you wouldn't. A search engine is difficult to build, expensive to build, and hard to do right. Instead they offer users Google as default (which the majo

>> "No you wouldn't. A search engine is difficult to build, expensive to build, and hard to do right. Instead they offer users Google as default (which the majority of people would want) and a more private alternative in DDG. Um, Apple replaced Google Maps with their own Map service which is hard to build, expensive to build and they still haven't gotten it right. Despite that, I want Apple to do the same for search so I can remove Google from my iPhone. >> "I could continue going through the article explaining how it is utter rubbish but it should be pretty obvious." This is why Apple fanboys have such a bad reputation on the web and spoil perceptions for those of us who own Apple products without subscribing to the fanaticism. Stop the snark. Respond to the actual argument.

philfrasty 11y ago
acc created „7 minutes ago“ - nuff said
- rfrey 11y ago
  Everyone has a first post.
droopybuns 11y ago
You have a marketplace of alternatives to choose from. Why would you think that demanding that a hardware company should develop a search engine is a better alternative to companies that have chosen to try and invest in search? I am totally baffled by this mental leap.
MCRed 11y ago
You seem to be implying that because Google Maps exists, Apple is only allows to provide Google Maps integration. Apple hasn't "replaced" Google maps, except in its own apps. Google Maps still is on the iPhone. Plus, remember the conflict over Google maps was because Google wanted too much personal information about he users and Apple wasn't comfortable with that. Apple spent a lot of effort to replace something for the purpose of protecting users Privacy. I'm not aware of google ever going thru such extensive efforts (despite the cheap website propagandizing the contrary we saw the day of the WWDC keynote.) >> "This is why Apple fanboys have such a bad reputation on the web and spoil perceptions for those of us who own Apple products without subscribing to the fanaticism" I'm tired of this smear from people who hate Apple. For the record, you can stop pretending to own Apple products. You're not going to convince us your somehow objective with this lie. When you smear people defening Apple as "fanatics" then you miss the point that Apple is constantly being attacked. It is the existence of Apple that you cannot tolerate causing you and your kind to constantly attack Apple, and this has been going on for 40 years. Mac users just want to be left alone, instead of constantly having to defend against dishonest hit pieces like this article in the NYT.
- globuous 11y ago
  Some people dislike Apple solely based on the fact that it makes highly popular devices, calling everyone that likes Apple "sheeps". Now what's funny is that if someone doesn't like a product not because of the product itself, but rather because too many people like/adore it, then their decision is still dictated by the crowd. I try to judge a product not based on who/how many people use it or don't use it, but rather by trying the product itself. Because I realized a few years ago that there were a lot of things that I disliked not because of my dislike for the things themselves, but because of my dislike of the people using that product (whether it being a song, and artist, a movie, a book, an app, hardware, the list goes on). A friend once told me that he hates [it/telling people] that he likes Drake. He does like Drake, he just doesn't like to admit it because idk, media, people that listen it him, etc. If you don't like Drake because of who listens/talks about it rather than because of his music, then you're letting everybody else dictate part of what you're listening to. Isn't that weird ? I think it is.
- roslainoPumbera 11y ago
  >> You seem to be implying that because Google Maps exists, Apple is only allows to provide Google Maps integration. Apple hasn't "replaced" Google maps, except in its own apps. Google Maps still is on the iPhone. Plus, remember the conflict over Google maps was because Google wanted too much personal information about he users and Apple wasn't comfortable with that. Apple spent a lot of effort to replace something for the purpose of protecting users Privacy. I'm not aware of google ever going thru such extensive efforts (despite the cheap website propagandizing the contrary we saw the day of the WWDC keynote.) I never use Google Maps on my iPhone, I only use Apple Maps now. Apple Maps works with Siri and my Apple Watch. Apple Maps is the default. I prefer Apple tracking me instead of Google (home, work locations etc) I want Apple to do the same for search. >> I'm tired of this smear from people who hate Apple. For the record, you can stop pretending to own Apple products. You're not going to convince us your somehow objective with this lie. When you smear people defening Apple as "fanatics" then you miss the point that Apple is constantly being attacked. It is the existence of Apple that you cannot tolerate causing you and your kind to constantly attack Apple, and this has been going on for 40 years. Mac users just want to be left alone, instead of constantly having to defend against dishonest hit pieces like this article in the NYT. What smear? This paranoia is what I don't like about Apple fan community. I'm not even criticising Apple and you've already jumped to the conclusion that I hate them and don't own any Apple products. I want Apple to succeed, I prefer their products which is why I want a Google search alternative with better privacy protection. But because I disagreed with a snarky comment you accuse me of being dishonest. Wtf

philfrasty 11y ago

acc created „7 minutes ago“ - nuff said

rfrey 11y ago
Everyone has a first post.

droopybuns 11y ago

You have a marketplace of alternatives to choose from. Why would you think that demanding that a hardware company should develop a search engine is a better alternative to companies that have chosen to try and invest in search? I am totally baffled by this mental leap.

MCRed 11y ago

You seem to be implying that because Google Maps exists, Apple is only allows to provide Google Maps integration. Apple hasn't "replaced" Google maps, except in its own apps. Google Maps still is on the iPhone. Plus, remember the conflict over Google maps was because Google wanted too much personal information about he users and Apple wasn't comfortable with that. Apple spent a lot of effort to replace something for the purpose of protecting users Privacy. I'm not aware of google ever going thru such extensive efforts (despite the cheap website propagandizing the contrary we saw the day of the WWDC keynote.) >> "This is why Apple fanboys have such a bad reputation on the web and spoil perceptions for those of us who own Apple products without subscribing to the fanaticism" I'm tired of this smear from people who hate Apple. For the record, you can stop pretending to own Apple products. You're not going to convince us your somehow objective with this lie. When you smear people defening Apple as "fanatics" then you miss the point that Apple is constantly being attacked. It is the existence of Apple that you cannot tolerate causing you and your kind to constantly attack Apple, and this has been going on for 40 years. Mac users just want to be left alone, instead of constantly having to defend against dishonest hit pieces like this article in the NYT.

globuous 11y ago
Some people dislike Apple solely based on the fact that it makes highly popular devices, calling everyone that likes Apple "sheeps". Now what's funny is that if someone doesn't like a product not because of the product itself, but rather because too many people like/adore it, then their decision is still dictated by the crowd. I try to judge a product not based on who/how many people use it or don't use it, but rather by trying the product itself. Because I realized a few years ago that there were a lot of things that I disliked not because of my dislike for the things themselves, but because of my dislike of the people using that product (whether it being a song, and artist, a movie, a book, an app, hardware, the list goes on). A friend once told me that he hates [it/telling people] that he likes Drake. He does like Drake, he just doesn't like to admit it because idk, media, people that listen it him, etc. If you don't like Drake because of who listens/talks about it rather than because of his music, then you're letting everybody else dictate part of what you're listening to. Isn't that weird ? I think it is.
roslainoPumbera 11y ago
>> You seem to be implying that because Google Maps exists, Apple is only allows to provide Google Maps integration. Apple hasn't "replaced" Google maps, except in its own apps. Google Maps still is on the iPhone. Plus, remember the conflict over Google maps was because Google wanted too much personal information about he users and Apple wasn't comfortable with that. Apple spent a lot of effort to replace something for the purpose of protecting users Privacy. I'm not aware of google ever going thru such extensive efforts (despite the cheap website propagandizing the contrary we saw the day of the WWDC keynote.) I never use Google Maps on my iPhone, I only use Apple Maps now. Apple Maps works with Siri and my Apple Watch. Apple Maps is the default. I prefer Apple tracking me instead of Google (home, work locations etc) I want Apple to do the same for search. >> I'm tired of this smear from people who hate Apple. For the record, you can stop pretending to own Apple products. You're not going to convince us your somehow objective with this lie. When you smear people defening Apple as "fanatics" then you miss the point that Apple is constantly being attacked. It is the existence of Apple that you cannot tolerate causing you and your kind to constantly attack Apple, and this has been going on for 40 years. Mac users just want to be left alone, instead of constantly having to defend against dishonest hit pieces like this article in the NYT. What smear? This paranoia is what I don't like about Apple fan community. I'm not even criticising Apple and you've already jumped to the conclusion that I hate them and don't own any Apple products. I want Apple to succeed, I prefer their products which is why I want a Google search alternative with better privacy protection. But because I disagreed with a snarky comment you accuse me of being dishonest. Wtf