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It's really too bad, but linux has failed as a consumer os. As an example, most of us use laptops and linux power management is horrendous on a laptop with batt

It's really too bad, but linux has failed as a consumer os. As an example, most of us use laptops and linux power management is horrendous on a laptop with battery life of 50% or less compared to Windows. And their consumer desktop UIs are a joke and the programmers have no interest in improving them in a consistent strategic manner. There is no distinctive driving force with a vision. It's no wonder graphics chips manufacturers don't see it as worth their time to provide source code. I am sure everyone is tired of this argument. But keep hoping - we love you for it. But on the server side it's great. The majority of my servers run some form of Linux. I used to run FreeBSD but have moved Linux.

betaby 11y ago
Is it true? Also some vendors sells Ubuntu / Chromebooks, would they have better battery life if reformatted to Windows ?
- toast0 11y ago
  Yes, a chromebook in windows has much better battery life, the keyboard and trackpad don't work, so it goes to sleep, and uses very little power.
e12e 11y ago
Also, Android doesn't exist, and doesn't work as a consumer OS? On a more serious note, I can't really understand the claim about a big difference in power-saving between Windows and (GNU/)Linux. It's not been an issue on my (admittedly rather old) devices. One thinkpad t420s (whose battery could use a replacement, due to age) and an ageing netbook.
- krick 11y ago
  I never have run tests, but have heard about "bad Linux battery time" many times, so I really wonder if it's true. And if it is: is it fixable or is some almost inherent flaw?
rhinoceraptor 11y ago
If you're looking for consistently improving desktop with a good design vision, Gnome 3 is a good choice. I've been using it for about 3 years and it has never been better.
- krick 11y ago
  That's kind of your personal point of view. Highly subjective matter. I, for instance, like xfce — it's not perfect, but far better than anything else I tried. Some people, I know, like KDE. I tried to get used to it for a half a year to "get a feel of it", but never understood how it's even usable. I mean, you better not pass opinions like that one as "a clever lifehack".
  - rhinoceraptor 11y ago
    I didn't say it was the best, I said it was one with a clear design vision (which I happen to like), in a way that XFCE or Mate don't.
Zigurd 11y ago
Android is a Linux/Java-ish OS, with some conventional Linux non-UI userland thrown in and abstracted by the middleware layer. The entire Android UI layer is open source, from the graphics stack to the window manager to the UI widgets. A commercial venture run by an autocrat developed it, but there it is, with a permissive open source license. I'd argue that Android 5.x is the most elegant and sophisticated UI and app environment available today. I would also argue that alternative open source Android distros like CyanogenMod are more relevant to more users than Ubuntu. The main "problem," if you want to call it that, is that Android doesn't play nice with legacy Linux desktop software. You can't easily have Android and a Linux desktop in the same device. If you WANT it badly enough, I could point you to some people who could deliver exactly that. It takes some doing to have a merged UI and graphics stack other than by using an emulator, but it's been done.

betaby 11y ago

Is it true? Also some vendors sells Ubuntu / Chromebooks, would they have better battery life if reformatted to Windows ?

toast0 11y ago
Yes, a chromebook in windows has much better battery life, the keyboard and trackpad don't work, so it goes to sleep, and uses very little power.

e12e 11y ago

Also, Android doesn't exist, and doesn't work as a consumer OS? On a more serious note, I can't really understand the claim about a big difference in power-saving between Windows and (GNU/)Linux. It's not been an issue on my (admittedly rather old) devices. One thinkpad t420s (whose battery could use a replacement, due to age) and an ageing netbook.

krick 11y ago
I never have run tests, but have heard about "bad Linux battery time" many times, so I really wonder if it's true. And if it is: is it fixable or is some almost inherent flaw?

rhinoceraptor 11y ago

If you're looking for consistently improving desktop with a good design vision, Gnome 3 is a good choice. I've been using it for about 3 years and it has never been better.

krick 11y ago
That's kind of your personal point of view. Highly subjective matter. I, for instance, like xfce — it's not perfect, but far better than anything else I tried. Some people, I know, like KDE. I tried to get used to it for a half a year to "get a feel of it", but never understood how it's even usable. I mean, you better not pass opinions like that one as "a clever lifehack".
- rhinoceraptor 11y ago
  I didn't say it was the best, I said it was one with a clear design vision (which I happen to like), in a way that XFCE or Mate don't.

Zigurd 11y ago

Android is a Linux/Java-ish OS, with some conventional Linux non-UI userland thrown in and abstracted by the middleware layer. The entire Android UI layer is open source, from the graphics stack to the window manager to the UI widgets. A commercial venture run by an autocrat developed it, but there it is, with a permissive open source license. I'd argue that Android 5.x is the most elegant and sophisticated UI and app environment available today. I would also argue that alternative open source Android distros like CyanogenMod are more relevant to more users than Ubuntu. The main "problem," if you want to call it that, is that Android doesn't play nice with legacy Linux desktop software. You can't easily have Android and a Linux desktop in the same device. If you WANT it badly enough, I could point you to some people who could deliver exactly that. It takes some doing to have a merged UI and graphics stack other than by using an emulator, but it's been done.