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Facebook doesn't understand that humans who did errors are still humans and need to be treated as such. The goal of prison is to rehabilitate the person in orde

by argklm 11y ago

Facebook doesn't understand that humans who did errors are still humans and need to be treated as such. The goal of prison is to rehabilitate the person in order to make them come back to society. I wonder how eliminating their basic rights and cutting them completely out of the world will improve their situation. Maybe the desperate cases cannot be recovered but prisons are also full of people that can be reeducated and one way to do so is to let them be still a part of this world. Isolating them from Internet, stripping their rights and physical isolation will do only more harm in the long run.

comrh 11y ago
Facebook? How about the entire country. When people laugh about being raped in prison it is because most people assume they deserve it. Not a very humane outlook.
the8472 11y ago
> The goal of prison is to rehabilitate the person in order to make them come back to society. That's how it should be, but is it in practice?
- x5n1 11y ago
  > That's how it should be, but is it in practice? Regardless they end up back in society.
- ryguytilidie 11y ago
  I don't feel like its fair to say "well sure, the stated goal of prisons is to rehabilitate, but they're not doing that now, so why would we even pretend like that is their mission anymore?"
  - smtddr 11y ago
    It's completely fair. It's like saying, "The war on drugs is to protect our children." Even if that's the official mission & goal statement, I would scoff at anyone who said that to my face and proceed to explain to them what a ridiculous farce it is. So when someone makes the statement "USA's Prisons are for rehabilitation" to my face, they'll also get the same scoff from me followed swiftly by an explanation of the ridiculous ineffectiveness of it all. Both of those mission statements are so far divorced from reality that I could not let them go unchallenged in any conversation within earshot. I'd have an overwhelming urge to verify that the person who made the statement understands how much of a failure those missions have been and I'd suggest that the real mission, for anyone actually paying attention, is that of oppression & profit. ____ preemptive: And please don't anyone reply with that tired rebuttal of "Only 8% of prisons are for profit", that's been covered several times ---https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8562786 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8562786
    - gertef 11y ago
      That's different. 1 is opposing the means because it fails at its stated goals 2 is opposing the goals (and alternate means), because one of the means is failing.
    - geoffw8 11y ago
      Whose to say that one of the (many) reasons it currently isn't successful is that by feeling disconnected from friends and family it further makes them feel separate from society?
cam_l 11y ago
"The USA doesn't understand that humans who did errors are still humans and need to be treated as such." Fixed it for you. The fact that the states strip prisoners (or even ex-prisoners) of the right to vote is just fucking astounding.
- nightski 11y ago
  Care to elaborate? Seems like a legitimate deterrent for committing a crime. Especially since it is "fucking astounding" as you say.
  - click170 11y ago
    Voting is the corner stone of democracy. How is it fair to stop someone from voting for a mistake they made that isn't necessarily violent or even have a victim? A mistake they may have made early on in their lives, the lessons of which they have learned. And that's ignoring the disproportionately higher incarceration rate of black men in america.
    - jacobolus 11y ago
      It’s not supposed to be fair, or a crime deterrent, or even a punishment, really. The clear reason for disenfranchising felons is to tilt elections in the favor of the Republican party in a way that has some political cover. It’s part of a range of efforts both official and unofficial to suppress the vote among young people, poor people, and minority groups, including voter ID laws, restrictions on voting by mail, improperly purging people from registered voter rolls, intentional underfunding/understaffing of polling places so people will give up in the face of long lines, discouraging/threatening/misleading junk mail, etc., not to mention all the absurd redistricting schemes. All the tiny efforts taken to suppress voting end up making quite a dramatic difference in close elections.
      - ams6110 11y ago
        You got today's memo from the Clinton campaign?

by argklm 11y ago

comrh 11y ago

Facebook? How about the entire country. When people laugh about being raped in prison it is because most people assume they deserve it. Not a very humane outlook.

the8472 11y ago

> The goal of prison is to rehabilitate the person in order to make them come back to society. That's how it should be, but is it in practice?

x5n1 11y ago
> That's how it should be, but is it in practice? Regardless they end up back in society.
ryguytilidie 11y ago
I don't feel like its fair to say "well sure, the stated goal of prisons is to rehabilitate, but they're not doing that now, so why would we even pretend like that is their mission anymore?"
- smtddr 11y ago
  It's completely fair. It's like saying, "The war on drugs is to protect our children." Even if that's the official mission & goal statement, I would scoff at anyone who said that to my face and proceed to explain to them what a ridiculous farce it is. So when someone makes the statement "USA's Prisons are for rehabilitation" to my face, they'll also get the same scoff from me followed swiftly by an explanation of the ridiculous ineffectiveness of it all. Both of those mission statements are so far divorced from reality that I could not let them go unchallenged in any conversation within earshot. I'd have an overwhelming urge to verify that the person who made the statement understands how much of a failure those missions have been and I'd suggest that the real mission, for anyone actually paying attention, is that of oppression & profit. ____ preemptive: And please don't anyone reply with that tired rebuttal of "Only 8% of prisons are for profit", that's been covered several times ---https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8562786 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8562786
  - gertef 11y ago
    That's different. 1 is opposing the means because it fails at its stated goals 2 is opposing the goals (and alternate means), because one of the means is failing.
  - geoffw8 11y ago
    Whose to say that one of the (many) reasons it currently isn't successful is that by feeling disconnected from friends and family it further makes them feel separate from society?

cam_l 11y ago

"The USA doesn't understand that humans who did errors are still humans and need to be treated as such." Fixed it for you. The fact that the states strip prisoners (or even ex-prisoners) of the right to vote is just fucking astounding.

nightski 11y ago
Care to elaborate? Seems like a legitimate deterrent for committing a crime. Especially since it is "fucking astounding" as you say.
- click170 11y ago
  Voting is the corner stone of democracy. How is it fair to stop someone from voting for a mistake they made that isn't necessarily violent or even have a victim? A mistake they may have made early on in their lives, the lessons of which they have learned. And that's ignoring the disproportionately higher incarceration rate of black men in america.
  - jacobolus 11y ago
    It’s not supposed to be fair, or a crime deterrent, or even a punishment, really. The clear reason for disenfranchising felons is to tilt elections in the favor of the Republican party in a way that has some political cover. It’s part of a range of efforts both official and unofficial to suppress the vote among young people, poor people, and minority groups, including voter ID laws, restrictions on voting by mail, improperly purging people from registered voter rolls, intentional underfunding/understaffing of polling places so people will give up in the face of long lines, discouraging/threatening/misleading junk mail, etc., not to mention all the absurd redistricting schemes. All the tiny efforts taken to suppress voting end up making quite a dramatic difference in close elections.
    - ams6110 11y ago
      You got today's memo from the Clinton campaign?