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>>Requires Mac OS X 10.8 or later Apparently it is not the interface I have been missing... Having a Git tool not available for Linux is blasphemy

camillomiller 11y ago
Yeah how dare they develop a nice and useful tool, right?
- quadrangle 11y ago
  …and not release under a free/open license for GNU/Linux. Yeah, right. That stinks. No joke. Proprietary software for proprietary OS's ought to not exist.
  - wsc981 11y ago
    I hope you're joking or being sarcastic.
    - riscy 11y ago
      I hope he's not.
      - res0nat0r 11y ago
        What is wrong for charging money for a product you spend time developing that people want to buy because it provides them value?
        amelius 11y ago
        Nothing. And don't worry. If this turns out to be successful, the OSS community will copy this idea in no time.
        euyyn 11y ago
        Sure, using their own time, not his.
        djur 11y ago
        There's nothing wrong with charging money for a product. You can charge money for a product without it being proprietary software.
        res0nat0r 11y ago
        There also is nothing wrong with proprietary software. Don't run it, or purchase it if you have some moral disagreement with it, but many people don't and are perfectly happy to pay money for it.
        djur 11y ago
        There are a lot of people who believe there is something wrong with proprietary software. You don't have to agree with the FSF or their goals, but it does everyone a disservice to conflate the argument for software freedom with an argument against proprietary software. The FSF considers commercial use and distribution of software to be an important part of software freedom and does not consider licenses that forbid it to be free. And if you think it is unethical to sell proprietary software and refuse to use it oneself, it is also perfectly reasonable to advocate that others follow the same course. A value position that one doesn't believe others should follow isn't a value, it's just a preference.
        quadrangle 11y ago
        There's absolutely things wrong with proprietary software. It leaves software users in the position of having technology that they cannot control freely. See, e.g. the arguments from GM and John Deere that you do not have permission to modify your own car or tractor. Or countless other examples. And basically zero of the people who pay for proprietary software are saying "I'm so glad this is proprietary". They pay because the package of what they get in utility is worthwhile and outweighs any concern about the proprietary nature of the software.
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    - quadrangle 11y ago
      Is "no joke" inadequate to tell you that I'm not joking?
  - _ak 11y ago
    2015, the year of the GNU/Linux desktop! For real now!
    - ossreality 11y ago
      I'd like to meet these people that make this comment sarcastically, because I'm willing to bet they haven't even fucking seen desktop linux for a few years.
- the_ancient 11y ago
  Apparently you and everyone else in this thread do not know the History of git git is a tool developed specifically for Linux Kernel Development, GIT would not exist with out linux.. Linus Torvalds created git for linux..... So releasing any tool for git that does not support linux, IMO is betraying the history and foundation of git.
  - camillomiller 11y ago
    You see, I think this is exactly the kind of entitled attitude that pushes away people from Linux. People don't give a damn about the intricacies and history of their tools, they care about getting a good work done in the less stressful way.
zamalek 11y ago
Yeah, I simply don't understand this recent tendency to launch on Mac first. Out of the big 3 (Linux, Windows, Mac), Mac is by far the worst platform to launch on because you have to buy hardware. Please can we stop it now. Just launch on Linux - everyone can access Linux no matter whether they are PC or Mac.
- ptomato 11y ago
  If you're planning to be a partially commercial product (which this appears to be) the reason to launch on Mac first is that Mac users buy software.
- CJefferson 11y ago
  Releasing closed-source software on Linux is a pain, unlike Mac where you can assume most people will be running one of 3 recent Mac OS X releases (or even 2)
- tedunangst 11y ago
  ? The market share of people actually running a platform probably matters more than the number of people theoretically capable of installing a platform.
- jakobegger 11y ago
  The Mac is a phenomenal platform to launch right now if you make software targeted at developers. There's huge growth in mobile development, and many mobile developers work on OS X. Not just iOS developers, I'm seeing lots of Android devlopers working on Macs too recently. And if you make a new tool, you should go where the young (in the sense of experience, not age) developers are. Experienced developers already have their workflows all set up and don't try new tools as often. Even if its inconvenient for those who don't have a Mac, from a business point of view, targeting the Mac is absolutely sensible.
  - hatsix 11y ago
    Having just (involuntarily) switched to a Mac at work, I can also attest to the fact that Mac users tend towards impulse buying software... The fact that I have to buy software to get proper window management and a good window switcher makes me furious. App-only switching makes no sense to me. I just want to pull up the last window I was looking at, I don't want to have to think about whether it was in the current app group or not. Also, not allowing that to be customized makes no sense. The OS has all of the info needed, and the market for 3rd party apps shows there is a desire... but I guess I'm just 'holding it wrong'. Most people in the office have spent $100 on software that just customizes the OS, not even considering the other dev tools that they purchase. As much as I detest OS X, IF I were releasing desktop software for-pay, I would focus on OS X ($ per user) and Windows (kids & college students).
edgarvaldes 11y ago
It would have been so easy to just add "The Git interface you've been missing on Mac OS"
vvanders 11y ago
+1 If you're going to extend an open source tool at least make it cross platform.
niuzeta 11y ago
> Having a Git tool not available for Linux is blasphemy I still weep for Sourcetree support for linux... ;(
- drbawb 11y ago
  I stopped using Sourcetree a while ago, and I can't say I particularly miss it. It's slow, RAM hungry, and their "recent" updates have made the tool unusable in my opinion. If I pick a range of commits in the log: I can no longer get ST to show me a tree of files which changed between those commits. To add insult to injury: the list of diffs often only shows changes to one file, regardless of how many files are actually changed between those two commits. These days I just use the command line and w/ Splice[0] I've got a nice diff/mergetool right in my editor. [0]: http://sjl.bitbucket.org/splice.vim/ http://sjl.bitbucket.org/splice.vim/
_kst_ 11y ago
Yes, it would be nice if the web page mentioned that it's only for Mac OS X other than in the fine print at the bottom of the page.
dikaiosune 11y ago
IntelliJ IDEA (after a while getting font rendering working properly) has an amazing set of VCS functionality and works quite nicely on Linux (have used on Gentoo and Arch). Of course it's ostensibly aimed at JVM languages, but has good support for PHP/JS/Python/Ruby/etc. There's also an upcoming C/C++ toolchain for it (the CLion experimental builds will eventually be a plugin for IDEA too). Most of the great VCS features are available in the non-commerical open-source branch too: https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community </fanboy>
- the8472 11y ago
  Similarly Eclipse's EGit is pretty nice too, although, being based on JGit and not the reference git implementations it has a few features here and there that aren't supported. But the on-disk format is compatible so you can always apply the commandline tools if needed.
  - k_bx 11y ago
    Emacs's magit is really amazing. Integration with Emacs, great shortcuts, 100% keyboard-friendly (of course), and many more stuff I only now discover.
oneeyedpigeon 11y ago
Presumably, you're saying the same thing to the people behind GitHub?
craigching 11y ago
If you use emacs, checkout magit. I can't live without it now.

camillomiller 11y ago

Yeah how dare they develop a nice and useful tool, right?

quadrangle 11y ago
…and not release under a free/open license for GNU/Linux. Yeah, right. That stinks. No joke. Proprietary software for proprietary OS's ought to not exist.
- wsc981 11y ago
  I hope you're joking or being sarcastic.
  - riscy 11y ago
    I hope he's not.
    - res0nat0r 11y ago
      What is wrong for charging money for a product you spend time developing that people want to buy because it provides them value?
      - amelius 11y ago
        Nothing. And don't worry. If this turns out to be successful, the OSS community will copy this idea in no time.
        euyyn 11y ago
        Sure, using their own time, not his.
      - djur 11y ago
        There's nothing wrong with charging money for a product. You can charge money for a product without it being proprietary software.
        res0nat0r 11y ago
        There also is nothing wrong with proprietary software. Don't run it, or purchase it if you have some moral disagreement with it, but many people don't and are perfectly happy to pay money for it.
        djur 11y ago
        There are a lot of people who believe there is something wrong with proprietary software. You don't have to agree with the FSF or their goals, but it does everyone a disservice to conflate the argument for software freedom with an argument against proprietary software. The FSF considers commercial use and distribution of software to be an important part of software freedom and does not consider licenses that forbid it to be free. And if you think it is unethical to sell proprietary software and refuse to use it oneself, it is also perfectly reasonable to advocate that others follow the same course. A value position that one doesn't believe others should follow isn't a value, it's just a preference.
        quadrangle 11y ago
        There's absolutely things wrong with proprietary software. It leaves software users in the position of having technology that they cannot control freely. See, e.g. the arguments from GM and John Deere that you do not have permission to modify your own car or tractor. Or countless other examples. And basically zero of the people who pay for proprietary software are saying "I'm so glad this is proprietary". They pay because the package of what they get in utility is worthwhile and outweighs any concern about the proprietary nature of the software.
        deleted 11y ago
        [deleted]
  - quadrangle 11y ago
    Is "no joke" inadequate to tell you that I'm not joking?
- _ak 11y ago
  2015, the year of the GNU/Linux desktop! For real now!
  - ossreality 11y ago
    I'd like to meet these people that make this comment sarcastically, because I'm willing to bet they haven't even fucking seen desktop linux for a few years.
the_ancient 11y ago
Apparently you and everyone else in this thread do not know the History of git git is a tool developed specifically for Linux Kernel Development, GIT would not exist with out linux.. Linus Torvalds created git for linux..... So releasing any tool for git that does not support linux, IMO is betraying the history and foundation of git.
- camillomiller 11y ago
  You see, I think this is exactly the kind of entitled attitude that pushes away people from Linux. People don't give a damn about the intricacies and history of their tools, they care about getting a good work done in the less stressful way.

zamalek 11y ago

Yeah, I simply don't understand this recent tendency to launch on Mac first. Out of the big 3 (Linux, Windows, Mac), Mac is by far the worst platform to launch on because you have to buy hardware. Please can we stop it now. Just launch on Linux - everyone can access Linux no matter whether they are PC or Mac.

ptomato 11y ago
If you're planning to be a partially commercial product (which this appears to be) the reason to launch on Mac first is that Mac users buy software.
CJefferson 11y ago
Releasing closed-source software on Linux is a pain, unlike Mac where you can assume most people will be running one of 3 recent Mac OS X releases (or even 2)
tedunangst 11y ago
? The market share of people actually running a platform probably matters more than the number of people theoretically capable of installing a platform.
jakobegger 11y ago
The Mac is a phenomenal platform to launch right now if you make software targeted at developers. There's huge growth in mobile development, and many mobile developers work on OS X. Not just iOS developers, I'm seeing lots of Android devlopers working on Macs too recently. And if you make a new tool, you should go where the young (in the sense of experience, not age) developers are. Experienced developers already have their workflows all set up and don't try new tools as often. Even if its inconvenient for those who don't have a Mac, from a business point of view, targeting the Mac is absolutely sensible.
- hatsix 11y ago
  Having just (involuntarily) switched to a Mac at work, I can also attest to the fact that Mac users tend towards impulse buying software... The fact that I have to buy software to get proper window management and a good window switcher makes me furious. App-only switching makes no sense to me. I just want to pull up the last window I was looking at, I don't want to have to think about whether it was in the current app group or not. Also, not allowing that to be customized makes no sense. The OS has all of the info needed, and the market for 3rd party apps shows there is a desire... but I guess I'm just 'holding it wrong'. Most people in the office have spent $100 on software that just customizes the OS, not even considering the other dev tools that they purchase. As much as I detest OS X, IF I were releasing desktop software for-pay, I would focus on OS X ($ per user) and Windows (kids & college students).

edgarvaldes 11y ago

It would have been so easy to just add "The Git interface you've been missing on Mac OS"

vvanders 11y ago

+1 If you're going to extend an open source tool at least make it cross platform.

niuzeta 11y ago

> Having a Git tool not available for Linux is blasphemy I still weep for Sourcetree support for linux... ;(

drbawb 11y ago
I stopped using Sourcetree a while ago, and I can't say I particularly miss it. It's slow, RAM hungry, and their "recent" updates have made the tool unusable in my opinion. If I pick a range of commits in the log: I can no longer get ST to show me a tree of files which changed between those commits. To add insult to injury: the list of diffs often only shows changes to one file, regardless of how many files are actually changed between those two commits. These days I just use the command line and w/ Splice[0] I've got a nice diff/mergetool right in my editor. [0]: http://sjl.bitbucket.org/splice.vim/ http://sjl.bitbucket.org/splice.vim/

_kst_ 11y ago

Yes, it would be nice if the web page mentioned that it's only for Mac OS X other than in the fine print at the bottom of the page.

dikaiosune 11y ago

IntelliJ IDEA (after a while getting font rendering working properly) has an amazing set of VCS functionality and works quite nicely on Linux (have used on Gentoo and Arch). Of course it's ostensibly aimed at JVM languages, but has good support for PHP/JS/Python/Ruby/etc. There's also an upcoming C/C++ toolchain for it (the CLion experimental builds will eventually be a plugin for IDEA too). Most of the great VCS features are available in the non-commerical open-source branch too: https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community </fanboy>

the8472 11y ago
Similarly Eclipse's EGit is pretty nice too, although, being based on JGit and not the reference git implementations it has a few features here and there that aren't supported. But the on-disk format is compatible so you can always apply the commandline tools if needed.
- k_bx 11y ago
  Emacs's magit is really amazing. Integration with Emacs, great shortcuts, 100% keyboard-friendly (of course), and many more stuff I only now discover.

oneeyedpigeon 11y ago

Presumably, you're saying the same thing to the people behind GitHub?

craigching 11y ago

If you use emacs, checkout magit. I can't live without it now.