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Ask HN: My free app has gone slighty viral – looking for ideas to monetize it

121 points by Rabidgremlin 11y ago

A bit of background, I built the app because I was running an old Nexus One and the Facebook app was too large to install alongside my other "essential" apps (15mb at the time, its now 38mb!). So I spend about an hour or so and cobbled together the app. For almost a year and a half it had less than 1000 installs and then in Feb this year it started to rapidly gain installs. It is currently sitting at 241,000 installs (with 55,000 active users). I figure I should take advantage of this and figure out some way to monetize the app. Unfortunately the app is all about size and trust (as it sandboxes the FB web app) so most of the ideas I've come up with don't seem to be in the spirit of the app. Some of the ideas I've had: * Put in ads and add an in-app purchase to turn them off * Put in a "donation" in-app purchase * Add support for other social networks but only enable them after an in-app purchase The app also has some pretty interesting demographics. Most users are from non-English speaking countries: Turkey 18.14%, Philippines 8.38%, Mexico 7.46%, Morocco 6.52%, India 5.27%, Indonesia 4.10%, Brazil 4.04%, Thailand 2.72%, United States 2.59%, Colombia 2.44%, Others 38.33% The app is called "Social Lite" see here for more info https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rabidgremlin.sociallite My current go-forward plan is put a survey in place and poll the users on what they want and what they would pay for

ceejayoz 11y ago
Be mindful of what Facebook's lawyers will think of you monetizing their logo and their website.
- Rabidgremlin 11y ago
  I'm careful to never mention Facebook anywhere in the app or its description. FB is in logo and of course it does load the Facebook app so a very thin line I think :)
  - reagan83 11y ago
    Hey Rabid congrats on the success. If interested, you should email me @ rbw at fb dot com. Edit: not a lawyer :)
aaronbrethorst 11y ago
Unlikely to succeed. Your users won't want to be monetized and they're from countries that are relatively unmonetizable. You don't say what you do for a living, but—personally—I'd slap this on my resume as a 'look at the awesome user base my apps have had' sort of event, and move on. Great way to gain better leverage for the next job move or raise request, but not likely to be more than that at present.
- Rabidgremlin 11y ago
  Good point. I'm a software dev by trade. Considering the opportunity costs, perhaps I should just use the app's success for brag rights.
  - vishaldpatel 11y ago
    I'd definitely try to leverage the success of this app towards something else. The reason why this app is so popular is because it is simple and free. The good will is kind of a big deal. That said, I think adding support for other social networks may be a fair unlock. How about a "Social Lite+"? A separate paid app that supports more social networks?
    - Rabidgremlin 11y ago
      I'm thinking this is the way to go. Leave the existing app as is and use it to up-sell. So do I add the photo upload feature (most requested feature/bug) to the existing app or put it in the paid only app??? Good guy me says put it in the free app, evil me says make em pay...
      - mplewis 11y ago
        You mean business you!
        Rabidgremlin 11y ago
        lol....
emilioolivares 11y ago
This kind of happened to me. I've tried building serious apps with limited success and traction. I'm a huge reddit/imgur fan so a built a hobby site for myself using reddit's api to browse through their images: http://www.flipmeme.com http://www.flipmeme.com. Currently gets 100k uniques per month, can't monetize!!! In other words, the stuff you really work on doesn't get anywhere, random stuff you build as a joke suddenly takes off?!
- deciplex 11y ago
  Why can't you monetize? You could stick ads in there, at least.
  - emilioolivares 11y ago
    It's against Imgur's terms of service. You can't show ad's and direct link to their images. Any other ideas :).
    - deciplex 11y ago
      Ask for donations. If the donations don't at least cover the cost of running the site, shut it down (unless you're happy paying out of pocket).
fpvracing 11y ago
Looks like a cool app and you've got some great reviews. I would not add advertisements as you will risk damaging the good relationship you currently have with your users. Try adding a donation button and just see whether it brings in enough money. Adding support for other social networks also seems like a good idea, but a lot more work. I'm actually in the process of developing my first Android app for our community at https://fpvracing.tv https://fpvracing.tv. Any tips / tutorials you would recommend?
- Rabidgremlin 11y ago
  That is awesome! I'd suggest: 1) You work you way through all the Android dev YouTube vids from Google: https://www.youtube.com/user/androiddevelopers https://www.youtube.com/user/androiddevelopers 2) Use the app compat and app design support libraries 3) Test on real devices with different versions of the Android OS
Gustomaximus 11y ago
Nice app. Developing countries love their saving data (I used to work with an app in a similar vein). In your shoes Id likely move forward in 3 stages; 1) Bug Fix - if you can build momentum on growth your really onto something. Given the 80% inactive rate, have you looked at why people are uninstalling (I saw a bunch of no photo upload button on my quick look)? Improving scale if probably the best way to make money if you don't really need the cash now. 2) Insert reasonably unobtrusive ads and see how they go. Given the countries involved you'll be surprised that even with a large number of users you're not hitting big money. Possibly try a few different ad placements to see the user experience vs. clicks vs. payments. 2) Once you have ads and know how many clicks you are getting, look for local opportunities for the bigger country(ies). Things like sponsorship of affiliate/offer type deals. These should pay more but come with a real time cost. 3) Once you have a view how much a customer is worth, decide if you want to take the cash out or re-invest back into growing the app. Ideally if you can spend $X on recruitment and get back $X+Y you should chase growth. If not, enjoy riding the organic wave. Regarding the poll, I'd not bother. What people say and do are often very different. I'd be more inclined to test ads and placement for real response. Monitor for feedback and possibly make a ad free version if people want. I've heard donation buttons don't really work. Adding additional social support sounds good but at a price? Not sure there. These markets are super cost conscious so I'd personally look to focus on growth first and secondly monetising the user at no cost to them. Good luck
- pbreit 11y ago
  The app page indicates that it might actually use more data since it wraps the web site.
  - Rabidgremlin 11y ago
    It does.
BinaryIdiot 11y ago
This is tough. When webOS was announced I got into the early Palm developer's program and created an application. It was kinda neat but also not incredibly complex. After the Pre was released within about 6 months it had over 100,000 downloads (which, for a new OS and device, seemed kinda awesome!). It was a free app but I thought I could try to monetize it a little. First step was to try ads. It went from highly rated to about 3 stars because everyone hated the ads (understandable). I tried putting them at the top, bottom, middle; nothing worked at all. There were no in-app purchases for webOS (or really any platform at the time) so I did what everyone else started doing: when they launched being able to pay for apps I provided my app for $.99 with no ads. After 2 years of running I made $9. Essentially I destroyed the user-base my app initially had by trying a couple of ways to monetize them that provided poor user experience. I'm not sure what the best solution is here but don't make my mistake and worsen your user experience to make money; it won't work. FYI for anyone curious my app on webOS was a take on the tip calculator. I know I know "why would you try to charge for a TIP calculator!?" but I thought the spin I had was novel, you could rate different parts of your restaurant experience to get an exact amount to tip rather than dealing with percentages at all (it only showed you the percentage after it calculated the tip). I had done a ton of tip research at the time and thought the idea might be worth something (plus I was young and dumb). It even had bill splitting! But yeah in the end I really shouldn't have charged for it I mostly wanted to experiment to see if I could monetize it and I ended up completely destroying it. http://www.webosnation.com/dumb-waiter-free http://www.webosnation.com/dumb-waiter-free
- corywatilo 11y ago
  I wouldn't take all the blame. Put it on the gradual but continual failure of webOS. Cool idea though!
- adhambadr 11y ago
  I think nowadays "experimenting" monetisation methods and pricing strategy can be done in a much safer way than back then. for example geographical rollout, A/B testing on a small non-important niiche (that won't probably monetise big). Its very normal (or essential) to experiment stuff like that without the fear to "destroy the user base the app initially had"
lsiebert 11y ago
Don't put third party advertisements in. If you are going to do any advertising, come up with a second project that might be of interest to your demographic, but that costs money, and advertise for your own product. I'd consider some sort of soccer score app that integrates with FB.
kneonx 11y ago
You could add a 1 second splash count down whenever they open the app from multi tasking, and a simple payment can disable that. It's not an ad. Just a countdown timer with an unlock feature. For a typical user, it wont be that big of a pinch, but for power users who cycle between apps and check back it could be worth monetizing. Once again you're not putting ads, you're just exercising your right to monetize something you built ;) OR if there are premium features you can push out that are not ad-removal related you might stand a chance at converting 1% of your users (freemium model)
makuchaku 11y ago
Script the build & make such tiny apps for all popular permission hogging apps with websites. Then cross-promote them within your app. This is what I would do :)
aniketpant 11y ago
I was looking around and I found https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.lite https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.l... which comes from Facebook itself. Strangely it is incompatible with all my devices and I think this is due to a play store location based restriction (I am based in India).
- Rabidgremlin 11y ago
  Yeah I noticed that... very interesting
jcoffland 11y ago
Many apps or softwares are successful because the price is right. Often the right price is free. You need to consider if your user base even has money to give you. Your best bet is to use traffic from your current app as a way to sell another related service.
gabchan 11y ago
SocialLite is a great name btw. Monetization via end users is not realistic. This is my hypothesis regarding your user profile: (1) low-income or no-income aka cost sensitive, (2) possibly bad mobile data infrastructure, (3) pay-as-you-go mobile data or limited wifi access. Your app is valuable because it is a REPLACEMENT for the company's real app, because the real deal (as you put it nicely) is too large. I would perhaps develop clones of your app for other social networks, and have a constellation of SocialLite apps for Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, Tumblr, etc... Why? Because the value is in how lightweight you are but still be able to satisfy end user needs. Do not add ads, or in-app purchase bullshit. Your users don't want that. And customers are gods. Why? Because you are collecting DATA. Usage patterns and quantifiable habits. The companies would be interested in that. Even just Facebook might be interested in what stats you have now, and having data on their frienemies adds proportionally more value. But Before you write another line of code, please reach out and get some feelers to see if the companies indeed want data and what data they are looking for. Since you are in developing markets, and companies want to expand there, you are providing a unique and rare insight into those markets. Data driven insights are better than anything else. P.S.: I would not survey the users. Bad UX (specifically bad information timing) and whatever little data you ascertain will not be actionable anyway.
- brador 11y ago
  How would you price the value of data? Who do you go to to sell data? If you had to guess, how much would FB pay for this apps data? Are there any hot startups in this data space?
  - abannin 11y ago
    I fear that FB (or any other company) would not view this as a wonderful opportunity to purchase data about it's users, but rather another company stealing it's data. Remember when there were companies who made money off Twitter's API? FB is infinitely more territorial.
- Rabidgremlin 11y ago
  Thanks, the name was a (rare for me) bit of genius :) I like your thinking but I wouldn't begin to know how to shop this idea around. I'm on the otherside of the planet from say SF so door knocking would be a little tricky. Interestingly as mentioned in another comment, Facebook appear to have their own "Facebook Lite" app so perhaps they recognize they have a problem? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.lite https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.l...
ggurgone 11y ago
Here's how you could play it: 1) Play dirty: serve high resolution media (pic an videos) to the users - this results in more data downloaded = costs more money to your users. Here is where you ask them to pay a fair monthly subscription that would cost them less than $x-internet-provider-money (you can make tailor made plans depending on the stats) 2) Make it faster for who pays! At the very top of the page you could add a speed indicator (something like a thin progress bar) to indicate the speed of the page. Then make one of the views (the profile page for example) super fast to tease your users! and the ask for upgrade to premium to get all teH things fast :) No matter how you play it I would "re-brand" it and remove any reference to the FB UI - which I guess is (c) Mark Boy
- woah 11y ago
  All of these ideas will make your users hate you.
  - ggurgone 11y ago
    I would pay for the 2nd option, I just mentioned the 1st because it popped in my mind but I agree with you there. Personally I hate ads or having my data sold to 3rd parties. Paying for an improvement in the speed is fair instead, it is a way to thank the developer.
  - collyw 11y ago
    They are using it because its lighter. Lighter means faster. So taking away those two features and you are left with no reason for users to use it.
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cvitale 11y ago
Mr slightly viral, You priced your app at zero. It became a success. Monetizing your app now will probably make it less so. Rather monetize by building good will with your customers (brand) and applying lessons learned towards development of your app2. If it's good enough you can charge for it.
- andrea_sdl 11y ago
  I second this too. I wonder why are many advices in this topic don't consider the relationship between the OP and his users. That trust has a value, and OP should ever destroy it.
  - kagamine 11y ago
    I can't be the only one who clicks on the developer's name in the app store to see what else they have available when the app I am using from them is good and free. If I get a good free app I'll be more likely to pay for the next one. OP should think long term, he is a developer by trade, a quick buck now isn't a smart move imo.
mastercoms 11y ago
When I think light, the last thing I think of is ads. Ads will make your app feel bloated to users.
- Rabidgremlin 11y ago
  Agree
pbreit 11y ago
How about the WhatsApp approach: first year free, then $0.99 per year?
- ChicagoBoy11 11y ago
  WhatsApp has a distinct advantage in the fact that it can rely on lock-in since the app itself is responsible for the connections that are made within it; Once the .99 price-tag comes along, you are faced with paying for it or losing your entire WhatsApp chat network/groups/etc. With OP's software, all of those connections are handled by FB, not his app. Therefore, if he were to charge something, people could simply opt for the next-best one that is free.
z3t4 11y ago
You can take the opportunity to build your brand, or someone else's. Gaining peoples thrust and building a reputation is hard, but very critical! Fifty thousands active users are worth about one million dollars.
- Rabidgremlin 11y ago
  A million dollars? How so ?
  - z3t4 11y ago
    It's generally what's people are willing to spend on exposure, in lets say commercials, calculated for one year. It's an estimate on what you would earn from adds in one year. Introducing ads might make the users leave though, so be careful. There's also a risk Facebook would have something to say about your monetizing on their product. So my suggestion is to implement that feature ppl want, let them know about the awesome dude behind it, and that you care about their user experience. Then leverage the goodwill it creates to get free exposure and users to your other product(s), that are monetized. Basically you can use the app to build a loyal user base. An example is the dude who made Flappy Bird. He also got lots of downloads and exposure for his other games just by having his name on it.
    - Intoo 11y ago
      50K DAU won't get you more than 500k$ in annual revenues from ads
angryasian 11y ago
I'm not accusing you of anything, but Tinfoil is a great app thats similar. Also free and open source - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.danvelazco.fbwrapper https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.danvelazco...
- Rabidgremlin 11y ago
  Yes it is. I actually came across Tinfoil after I released my app. It does the same thing buts its "marketing message" was different so I did not find it when I first went looking for this type of app :(
- toni 11y ago
  I second this. Tinfoil is an amazing alternative if you don't want Facebook to track your every move with their official app. There is also "Tinfoil for Twitter"[1] with the same premise. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mill_e.twitterwrapper https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mill_e.twi...
- psykovsky 11y ago
  Another open source one: https://github.com/indywidualny/FacebookLite https://github.com/indywidualny/FacebookLite
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lucaspiller 11y ago
I have an app in the Google Play store, it has around 1,500 active installs and I decided to do a bit of an experiment last year by releasing a paid pro version. It was exactly the same, it just had a different colour icon and 'Pro' branding. I put the price at 99c/99p, and put a link to it in the free edition description (the descriptions were the same other than that). I was pretty surprised when people actually bought it... I think I made about $5 before I realised after a couple of weeks, and then I took it down. The app hadn't been touched for a few years and wasn't the best quality, so I didn't feel happy for basically scamming people. I was considering doing the same for a donate version, but wanted to improve the app first - which I never got around to. I think you could get some income by doing something similar, but it's very unlikely to replace your main income.
- tobyhinloopen 11y ago
  I don't consider it scamming to provide a paid version without extra features. There are other software products that have this, like Winrar and Cyberduck. Additionally, if I see a "free" and "paid" version of something I think I need/want, I always get the paid version, because I don't want ads. I'd rather pay 99c~2,99c for no-ads then having those freaking annoying ads. I want an ad-free home. No ads on my PC, TV or phone. Nowhere.
  - concerned_user 11y ago
    It really depends on how it was worded, if it was saying that paid version is exactly the same and is there to express your support, then it is not a scam.
kirualex 11y ago
I had the same idea 4 years ago and did the exact same thing for several apps. This was a bad idea : https://medium.com/@kirualex/an-android-developers-nightmare-105cb3f3beef https://medium.com/@kirualex/an-android-developers-nightmare... Google content policy is now very clear : Do not post any applications whose primary function is to: generate traffic to a website; or provide an overview of a website that you do notown and you do not handle (unless you have permission of the owner / administrator of the website).
- Rabidgremlin 11y ago
  mmm, very informative. Need to go look at those policies again.
- rquirk 11y ago
  Wow, that's quite a surprise. I just checked the terms you quoted - https://play.google.com/about/developer-content-policy.html https://play.google.com/about/developer-content-policy.html - and of course you're absolutely right. I can see why Google specify this since a store filled with spammy apps wrapping popular sites would be bad for everyone. But this puts the kibosh on privacy-focused apps like Tinfoil for Facebook or the Twitter equivalent, and bloat-reducing apps like the OP's. I imagine that these have yet to be suspended simply because nobody at Google has noticed them.
crdoconnor 11y ago
Add an upgraded app that lets users redirect their traffic via servers you control. If they installed your app for privacy reasons, give them a reason to pay you for more privacy. If Turkey is very popular that tells me that your users might want to conceal the fact (from their government) that they use facebook at all.
- mavromatis 11y ago
  May I ask why you think that?
nait 11y ago
You could try adding a "Social Lite Deals" page where you put affiliate offers (e.g. stuff with reduced prices from Amazon). This way you provide some kind of additional value and don't risk offending your user base. Granted it won't be as effective as ads but perhaps it's a good starting point to figure out what your users like and accept.
blazespin 11y ago
Rather than monetize, I think instead you should try to get more people to install it. Make it better. Add features to block ads or something. Clearly you've built something people want. Find a way to engage with your users and build more trust with them. Your next app will be quite popular with them, I'm sure. You're trying to monetize too early. Get real traction first. A million dollars isn't cool. You know what's cool? A billion dollars.
zkhalique 11y ago
Yes, add google admob and facebook audience network ads, and a way to turn them off
onuryavuz 11y ago
Actually there is an official app published by Facebook, for size-sensitive users. It's called Facebook Lite and here is the google store link : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.lite https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.l...
dutchbrit 11y ago
Don't do ads, people will uninstall it in a jiffy. Create a second app, call it Social Lite Plus or something, and have some extra options - bit of a freemium version, but not sure if that's a possibility?
unicornporn 11y ago
If you do this I suspect most users will move to "Tinfoil for Facebook". It does exactly what you describe and is popular and open-source.
maerF0x0 11y ago
Do the whatsapp thing. Free for 1 year. $1 afterwards. Its affordable even in all those countries.
abannin 11y ago
Congrats! This is really awesome. You've found some amount of product-market fit, and that is really really amazing. I think you should keep going, as this is when things start to get hard. You've cleared a few hurdles, and now you need to clear some very different obstacles. From the countless hours that I've spent trying to figure out how to get users to give me money, I can confidently say that a surveying your users about monetization is the worst data you will ever see. I can also say, with 200% confidence, that ads are not the right decision at this point. Here is why: 1) They aren't your users. These are FB users, and if you start showing ads to them, FB will view this as stealing ad space from FB. Not a good spot to be in. 2) The geo distribution seems pretty clear that the light weight solution is a compelling feature. Ad SDKs are notoriously heavy on the binary, sometimes 20MB. Ads also use a large amount of data and are often slower than everything else. Most web pages could load in a fraction of time if they dropped the ads. So, putting in ads seems to kill the biggest feature of your app. I don't buy the argument that you can't monetize that geo distribution. It's true that those geos are overlooked by larger companies, but that also means less competition. Just know that you're fighting for low ARPU users. Whatsapp used this strategy wonderfully. When their competitors were fighting over iPhone penetration in the US, they were building for feature phones in similar geos. They also kept the price point low, keeping in mind they had lower ARPU users. I suspect that your best solution would be to find a compelling in-app-purchase (IAP). To do this, you'll need to start knowing everything about your users. What features do they use? What features do they not use? When do they use the app? What do they want to accomplish with the app? Remember, Line started selling stickers when everyone could use emotiacons. Sometimes the winning business model is the thing that no one thought to try or everyone thought was too dumb. What is FB missing from the experience that you could add? I've always been impressed at how user's actions can be the opposite of what they say. Your users will reveal their intent by what they do, so watch them very carefully. I suspect a very telling analysis would be to start comparing users who hit the day-7 mark and leave vs those who hit the day-7 mark and stay. My guess is that you'll start seeing some patterns about how retained users are interacting with the app, and then double down on that. As a side note, your DAU to installs ratio seems to imply poor retention for a social app. This may be because the growth is targeting the wrong type of user. Regardless, this is a number that you'll probably want to get to know very well. If you do have lower-then-average retention, find a way to turn it into a strength with other numbers that are really impressive, such as engagement. This is really, really awesome and you should be proud of what you have accomplished. The next stage of growth will be harder to scale, but the bragging rights are a few orders of magnitude higher up there. Keep it up!
antigirl 11y ago
Wouldnt the users get a better experience using the browser rather than using webview wrapped site?
polyvalent01 11y ago
Hi OP I'm from morocco and I can tell you that NOBODY in Morocco will pay your app. Why ? I'll tell you why. Here in the 3rd world countries we don't have credit card unless we get a job, and when I say "get a job" I mean 28 and up . Morocco is very different from Europe and US because we don't have unemployement and just to make a living is really hard. Also Piracy here is something commun because our ISP ( and we have only one lol who fuck the market with their High price and low value) Doesn't block torrent, as long as you stay out of Illegal stuffs... Also even if I have a credit card at 21 ( I worked in a call center in the last summer so I can afford it) I will never lose money on apps. First: I'm poor Second : We only have 10 000 Dirhams ( 900 Euro ) to spend in a whole YEAR. Wich means we're very careful on what we spend money on. So the best thing I can tell you is to add a banner and one or two Interstial ads and NOBODY will bat an eye . Hope I gave you an insight OP :)
- Rabidgremlin 11y ago
  Fantastic feedback, thanks!
- neil_s 11y ago
  I'd say the same about Indian users like myself. The sort of people who are downloading this app on their last-generation hardware are unlikely to pay for in-app purchases, and definitely not for donations. Although you do have reviews on the Play Store claiming to the contrary, so your call to make. Also worth evaluating whether the PPC network you're thinking of using will pay you the same rate for audiences in these countries as they do for audiences in the West (which is already very little)
- cognitvesystem 11y ago
  same here indonesia i hope immigrate to the USA ASAP
- outworlder 11y ago
  The bit about credit cards makes sense for Morocco. It is somewhat valid for Brazil. With the difference that, from the description, it is easier to get credit cards here. There's indeed a huge portion of the population that is underbanked, but there is still a large amount of credit cards to go around. Now, the problem is that the demographic that has both smartphones and disposable income will probably have a good enough smartphone that a 'lite' Facebook is not required.
rnovak 11y ago
I am/was in the same situation as far as popularity goes with my desktop application (for OSX), and I personally went the route of not monetizing at all. To me, the knowledge gained through every feature I added and every bug I fixed is/was more valuable than the money I could have made. Then again, I have a great paying job that I love, and I primarily built it because I couldn't find a similar application with the features I was looking for, so other people finding it useful is just a bonus. Plus, it's a great way to show that I have passion for development outside of work, and that I'm continually trying to improve myself as a programmer/engineer. I even provided detailed Arch/Design/Req docs in the github repos, just in case anyone was interested in looking. Of the options listed in this thread, I like the idea of adding an "in-app" purchase for the feature you mention gets requested a lot (photo uploads I believe). The knowledge that will give you is immensely valuable (being able to turn features on/off in the same application), if you don't already have that built in. Anyway, that's just my opinion, but you should do whatever you think will make you happy.
kriro 11y ago
I'd approach this differently and from reading your replies you seem to be a fairly laid back (non "cutthroat") guy so this might be interesting for you. Use it as a fun experiment to see how much you can grow it not how much you can monetize. Formulate some assumptions and test them. I'd personally pick one of the countries and see if I can push installs in that country hard (might be difficult due to language issues). Try to figure out how people learn about your app and install it. Figure out what phones it is installed on and write a blogpost on using your app on that phone etc. 55k active users isn't bad. If you keep on growing someone will get interested even if you didn't monetize before (possibly even because you didn't) especially since it's not a "fad app" but something sustainable as long as there's low resource phones. [worst case you can use it if you ever want to apply at Facebook] tl;dr: use it as your private growth-lab and learn a lot :)
- scyllax 11y ago
  Totally agree if you don't need the money it's the way to go.. it may become something even bigger.
  - amelius 11y ago
    On the other hand, if it generates some money, it can perhaps allow you to work on it full-time, and you can make it grow even bigger! :)
- perlgeek 11y ago
  Also, once you have another project (maybe one that's easier to monetize) you want to push, you can use your existing app to drive a bit of traffic to it (as a sort of ad that shows only once per installation, for example).
- sdernley 11y ago
  I think this is good advice. Potentially it's possible to monetize it and use it as a playground too though. I've tried both and I think you learn different things from each, both very useful though.
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drawkbox 11y ago
With a free app you have to have your monetization in before launch. But this is a great platform to launch other apps from. Apps even next to a popular free app get more visibility/discovery. Many companies launch a free app designed solely for users to help drive pay app usage. Donation is probably the only option as advertising for those areas aren't as high in payout. Don't be sad by the letdown you will get from donation though, it is always way lower than expected. Ad supported apps also don't really get that much money. The only successful app strategy is to have quality apps and as many as you can support with quality levels.
raverbashing 11y ago
Don't monetize the app, but build from the success of it. You have an App with 240k installs, that's very good in a CV or when pitching your services. This demographic is not going to pay you, sorry. Now, developing apps that are light and work in older phones can be a marketable skill.
bond 11y ago
My opinion is not to listen people telling you not to put ads. Remember, your demographics is not first tier so that advice doesn't apply... You'd be surprised what a banner or an interstitial can bring on those countries....
pratyushag 11y ago
Given your motivations and comments, I would recommend that you have a whatsapp like subscription in place. One can get around paying for the subcription by inviting friends. For best results, make it easy enough to select all for the invite [you will soon realize that you'll get most of your users from such people who don't mind inviting a friend to an app they like a lot]. At some point in the next 1-2 years, you would likely get to 1 million downloads!
jmbrook 11y ago
First of congratulations on the app, it is fulfilling a real need. You have cracked the first problem of getting people to download + use +care about the app. I like the idea of doing the survey however from my experience (we did a paid for Google Customer survey) our users want more content and for price of free which wasn’t hugely useful. Personally I think you have three easy options: 1. Add some low level not too obtrusive adverts in (you will get a nice trickle of money in) From my own experience of putting adverts into a util app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teazel&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teazel&hl=...) no-one minds at all. The key is to not go overboard. We have banners that don't refresh too often, disappear if they going to draw over a dice. The number of apps I see show full screen adverts at start up, every page transition etc - all very icky. 2. As others have said try and grow it and use it for Resume/CV building. My one reservation on this is make sure you actually try and capitalise on it. I’m reminded of friends staying in awful jobs due to the training/experience and years later never really harvesting the rewards. 3. Use it to cross promote another app (either by yourself or sell the space). Getting an app to be downloaded is so hard now having this to kick start the next project is a great de-risker. I would go for option 1 or 3 depending on whether you have other apps in the pipeline. As an aside is this lightweight wrapping of a webapp model work for other providers? LinkedIn etc?
codecamper 11y ago
You spent an hour to write an app? ok.
- Rabidgremlin 11y ago
  I know, the app is embarrassing simple, maybe a 100 lines of code but apparently people find it useful.
sdernley 11y ago
Congratulations on the success of the app! When i've been in similar situations i've tried to look forward and not back. By that I mean, if it's getting a lot of downloads then let the people who have already downloaded it have it, don't change their experience by adding adverts in or damaging parts of the experience. Charge for new people to get the app. Saying that, I've never had it with as many people already downloaded the app, but i'd like to think i'd still do the same thing. I have an app that I originally charged for and it got very little downloads, I made it free for a while and didn't pay much attention to the downloads, went back to it at a later time and noticed it had a lot of downloads so I started charging for it just to see what would happen, I expected to make it free again within a week due to no downloads. Downloads obviously dropped a bit, but still kept a pretty consistent level and have done ever since. I make a point of always improving the app though, so maybe that helps too but I just think it comes down to timing and having those previous downloads could help, it seemed to help me. I'm not sure if you can turn a free Android app into a paid one though, I don't think you used to be able to, so that might all be pointless and you'd have to make a new id for it, but you've proved people definitely want it. Whatever you do, good luck. I'm sure having a high downloaded app will help you at some point even if you don't manage to do as much as you want with this one. I hope you do.
garagemc2 11y ago
☻ I'm sure everyone else has gone through the pro's and cons of different monetisation and product strategies. ☻ But having looked through the thread, I don't believe anyone has asked you to think about Why the app is getting traction. ☻ You can come up with your own hypothesis or you can ask your users. ☻ Once you've understood why, you'll be better placed to take the next step. Whether that involves monetisation, creating clones, developing the app, not developing the app - that is up to you. ☻Tl;dr Find out why users like your app and try to strategise based on that.
ranrub 11y ago
Is this really just a webview that loads m.facebook.com?
qwz 11y ago
Looks like the same kind of users as Opera Mini which has high number of users in Indonesia, India, Pakistan etc. They face similar problems as you do. Many users which don't have much money. Idea 1) Sell it to Opera Software Idea 2) Do like Opera and sign deals with mobile network operators to include operator content Idea 3) Sell Internet access through your app. Internet access is normally sold by hour in these countries. Sign deals with operators and similar. Idea 4) Advertising in app
eddiedunn 11y ago
Kickstarter campaigns often charge people extra money for getting access to Alpha and Beta builds. People are impatient, many want stuff sooner rather than later, so they pay for it. You could offer a modified version of this; allow premium customers access to new features earlier, but roll out the updates to your free subscribers eventually as well. After a delay of 3 months perhaps? It will gently encourage people to upgrade, but those who don't want to pay won't feel cheated as they will get the features eventually as well.
fabiandesimone 11y ago
Why not put 'App Recomendations' messages that drive installs for other apps? There's a ton of CPA networks that pay anywhere from .5 to $3 for an app install.
mbesto 11y ago
Make a pro version with a few extra features and sell it for $2.99.
samet 11y ago
I developed and maintained a game for Android devices for 3 years and the game was for Turkish players only. 80 percent of my time was spent for optimizing the game for low-end devices; low-end devices lead the market because of those are the ones that majority of high school (or even primary school) students' parents could afford. Not surprisingly, revenue coming from low-end devices segment was almost zero because young people using these devices are usually under 18 and were not allowed to have credit cards. Even relatively older ones (such as college students) didn't spend any money because they were trying to survive as students with a limited budget. Nexus One is a great smartphone with an acceptable large screen and you can still buy a working one from the second hand market. The weakest point of this cheap-heavy duty device is the limited memory, which is you focused on. (Actually it can be hacked to extend internal memory to micro SD card, but still hard for many people.) Another example of low-end devices is Samsung Galaxy Ace. That is, my friend, a time and effort killer with almost no returns except always complaining free users.
philbarr 11y ago
I wouldn't bother with ads. One of my apps [1] has about 13,000 active users and I make ~£20 a month with it. Ads just don't make you any money. Although this is just my experience, obviously, and there may be reasons why the ads in my app aren't as successful as yours could be. Still, I think it's probably not worth annoying your users for the paltry amount of cash you'll raise. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simplyapped.sayit https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simplyappe...
adam12 11y ago
Create a supporting website and put ads on that. Blog about updates and maybe even your experience creating the app. If you had that right now, you could be getting a lot of traffic from HN. I'm afraid if you put ads in the app you will lose a lot of users and get negative feedback.
whalesalad 11y ago
One of your recent reviews: "Cool! (mainly because there're no ads) To developers: keep ads out please -- willing to pay for it. Android ads are getting extremely intolerably utterly annoying and painful and stupid. Also, please keep network traffic minimal."
RossTech 11y ago
Instead of all the pop ups, or ads etc, how about just a simple message to users asking for a contribution. It's a much more direct, and far less abrasive approach, plus it's personal and seems reasonable. I'm betting it will convert at 5 - 10% of users aged 16+. E.g. Hi, I hope you are enjoying this app and finding it useful. Could you support this app by paying a one-time fee of just $1? It will allow me to keep the app updated and best of all running ad-free! Thanks in advance.
- comeonnow 11y ago
  I agree I think this approach would appeal more to me as a user. I'd also set the options as: 1) Happy to donate 2) No, and don't ask again
- speedyapoc 11y ago
  Based off of OP's user demographics, I'm really doubtful that a donate option would convert 5-10% or make him any considerable money at all. I own a similarly popular free app and I offer an option to pay a very small fee to remove ads and get other features within the app. The income from this purchase (which actually benefits the user as opposed to a donation) takes about 5 months to equal what I do in a day off of ads.
tlogan 11y ago
55k active users is super! Since you are popular in 3rd world countries I would suggesting adding something your users can earn some extra money directly from phone. Maybe fiverr integration, odesk, amazon turk, etc.
Raphmedia 11y ago
1. Do not touch the current app. As everybody said, you will simply lose people. 2. Create extra features for a PRO version. Perhaps simply a tab that let you switch between Twitter and Facebook? From what I understand, your app is pretty much a wrapper with a mobile site inside of it. Add tabs for other social websites. Pinterest, Twitter, etc. Something simple that people are going to be willing to pay a few extra coins for.
julienmarie 11y ago
FYI, Philippines is an English speaking country.
bthornbury 11y ago
I have very similar install numbers to your app on one of mine and I have had excellent monetization off a single banner ad across the bottom. It reduces the usable screen area by only a little and is hardly intrusive to the experience.
andreasvourkos 11y ago
Rabidgremlin since you are planning to put a survey in place to understand what your users need, you can actually integrate Pollfish (http://www.pollfish.com http://www.pollfish.com) which actually allows you both to survey your users for free easily, and also monetize in a different way than classic ads!
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ghosh 11y ago
Looks like fb got the same idea now. http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/04/download-facebook-lite/ http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/04/download-facebook-lite/ wrt monetization you can try adding a splash page, which the users can see they when login/log out of the app. Can connect you to some Indian app / game guys if you are interested.
rajington 11y ago
Monetization just got a little tricker :( http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/04/facebook-lite-app http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/04/facebook-lite-app

121 points by Rabidgremlin 11y ago

ceejayoz 11y ago

Be mindful of what Facebook's lawyers will think of you monetizing their logo and their website.

Rabidgremlin 11y ago
I'm careful to never mention Facebook anywhere in the app or its description. FB is in logo and of course it does load the Facebook app so a very thin line I think :)
- reagan83 11y ago
  Hey Rabid congrats on the success. If interested, you should email me @ rbw at fb dot com. Edit: not a lawyer :)

aaronbrethorst 11y ago

Unlikely to succeed. Your users won't want to be monetized and they're from countries that are relatively unmonetizable. You don't say what you do for a living, but—personally—I'd slap this on my resume as a 'look at the awesome user base my apps have had' sort of event, and move on. Great way to gain better leverage for the next job move or raise request, but not likely to be more than that at present.

Rabidgremlin 11y ago
Good point. I'm a software dev by trade. Considering the opportunity costs, perhaps I should just use the app's success for brag rights.
- vishaldpatel 11y ago
  I'd definitely try to leverage the success of this app towards something else. The reason why this app is so popular is because it is simple and free. The good will is kind of a big deal. That said, I think adding support for other social networks may be a fair unlock. How about a "Social Lite+"? A separate paid app that supports more social networks?
  - Rabidgremlin 11y ago
    I'm thinking this is the way to go. Leave the existing app as is and use it to up-sell. So do I add the photo upload feature (most requested feature/bug) to the existing app or put it in the paid only app??? Good guy me says put it in the free app, evil me says make em pay...
    - mplewis 11y ago
      You mean business you!
      - Rabidgremlin 11y ago
        lol....

emilioolivares 11y ago

This kind of happened to me. I've tried building serious apps with limited success and traction. I'm a huge reddit/imgur fan so a built a hobby site for myself using reddit's api to browse through their images: http://www.flipmeme.com http://www.flipmeme.com. Currently gets 100k uniques per month, can't monetize!!! In other words, the stuff you really work on doesn't get anywhere, random stuff you build as a joke suddenly takes off?!

deciplex 11y ago
Why can't you monetize? You could stick ads in there, at least.
- emilioolivares 11y ago
  It's against Imgur's terms of service. You can't show ad's and direct link to their images. Any other ideas :).
  - deciplex 11y ago
    Ask for donations. If the donations don't at least cover the cost of running the site, shut it down (unless you're happy paying out of pocket).

fpvracing 11y ago

Looks like a cool app and you've got some great reviews. I would not add advertisements as you will risk damaging the good relationship you currently have with your users. Try adding a donation button and just see whether it brings in enough money. Adding support for other social networks also seems like a good idea, but a lot more work. I'm actually in the process of developing my first Android app for our community at https://fpvracing.tv https://fpvracing.tv. Any tips / tutorials you would recommend?

Rabidgremlin 11y ago
That is awesome! I'd suggest: 1) You work you way through all the Android dev YouTube vids from Google: https://www.youtube.com/user/androiddevelopers https://www.youtube.com/user/androiddevelopers 2) Use the app compat and app design support libraries 3) Test on real devices with different versions of the Android OS

Gustomaximus 11y ago

Nice app. Developing countries love their saving data (I used to work with an app in a similar vein). In your shoes Id likely move forward in 3 stages; 1) Bug Fix - if you can build momentum on growth your really onto something. Given the 80% inactive rate, have you looked at why people are uninstalling (I saw a bunch of no photo upload button on my quick look)? Improving scale if probably the best way to make money if you don't really need the cash now. 2) Insert reasonably unobtrusive ads and see how they go. Given the countries involved you'll be surprised that even with a large number of users you're not hitting big money. Possibly try a few different ad placements to see the user experience vs. clicks vs. payments. 2) Once you have ads and know how many clicks you are getting, look for local opportunities for the bigger country(ies). Things like sponsorship of affiliate/offer type deals. These should pay more but come with a real time cost. 3) Once you have a view how much a customer is worth, decide if you want to take the cash out or re-invest back into growing the app. Ideally if you can spend $X on recruitment and get back $X+Y you should chase growth. If not, enjoy riding the organic wave. Regarding the poll, I'd not bother. What people say and do are often very different. I'd be more inclined to test ads and placement for real response. Monitor for feedback and possibly make a ad free version if people want. I've heard donation buttons don't really work. Adding additional social support sounds good but at a price? Not sure there. These markets are super cost conscious so I'd personally look to focus on growth first and secondly monetising the user at no cost to them. Good luck

pbreit 11y ago
The app page indicates that it might actually use more data since it wraps the web site.
- Rabidgremlin 11y ago
  It does.

BinaryIdiot 11y ago

This is tough. When webOS was announced I got into the early Palm developer's program and created an application. It was kinda neat but also not incredibly complex. After the Pre was released within about 6 months it had over 100,000 downloads (which, for a new OS and device, seemed kinda awesome!). It was a free app but I thought I could try to monetize it a little. First step was to try ads. It went from highly rated to about 3 stars because everyone hated the ads (understandable). I tried putting them at the top, bottom, middle; nothing worked at all. There were no in-app purchases for webOS (or really any platform at the time) so I did what everyone else started doing: when they launched being able to pay for apps I provided my app for $.99 with no ads. After 2 years of running I made $9. Essentially I destroyed the user-base my app initially had by trying a couple of ways to monetize them that provided poor user experience. I'm not sure what the best solution is here but don't make my mistake and worsen your user experience to make money; it won't work. FYI for anyone curious my app on webOS was a take on the tip calculator. I know I know "why would you try to charge for a TIP calculator!?" but I thought the spin I had was novel, you could rate different parts of your restaurant experience to get an exact amount to tip rather than dealing with percentages at all (it only showed you the percentage after it calculated the tip). I had done a ton of tip research at the time and thought the idea might be worth something (plus I was young and dumb). It even had bill splitting! But yeah in the end I really shouldn't have charged for it I mostly wanted to experiment to see if I could monetize it and I ended up completely destroying it. http://www.webosnation.com/dumb-waiter-free http://www.webosnation.com/dumb-waiter-free

corywatilo 11y ago
I wouldn't take all the blame. Put it on the gradual but continual failure of webOS. Cool idea though!
adhambadr 11y ago
I think nowadays "experimenting" monetisation methods and pricing strategy can be done in a much safer way than back then. for example geographical rollout, A/B testing on a small non-important niiche (that won't probably monetise big). Its very normal (or essential) to experiment stuff like that without the fear to "destroy the user base the app initially had"

lsiebert 11y ago

Don't put third party advertisements in. If you are going to do any advertising, come up with a second project that might be of interest to your demographic, but that costs money, and advertise for your own product. I'd consider some sort of soccer score app that integrates with FB.

kneonx 11y ago

You could add a 1 second splash count down whenever they open the app from multi tasking, and a simple payment can disable that. It's not an ad. Just a countdown timer with an unlock feature. For a typical user, it wont be that big of a pinch, but for power users who cycle between apps and check back it could be worth monetizing. Once again you're not putting ads, you're just exercising your right to monetize something you built ;) OR if there are premium features you can push out that are not ad-removal related you might stand a chance at converting 1% of your users (freemium model)

makuchaku 11y ago

Script the build & make such tiny apps for all popular permission hogging apps with websites. Then cross-promote them within your app. This is what I would do :)

aniketpant 11y ago

I was looking around and I found https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.lite https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.l... which comes from Facebook itself. Strangely it is incompatible with all my devices and I think this is due to a play store location based restriction (I am based in India).

Rabidgremlin 11y ago
Yeah I noticed that... very interesting

jcoffland 11y ago

Many apps or softwares are successful because the price is right. Often the right price is free. You need to consider if your user base even has money to give you. Your best bet is to use traffic from your current app as a way to sell another related service.

gabchan 11y ago

SocialLite is a great name btw. Monetization via end users is not realistic. This is my hypothesis regarding your user profile: (1) low-income or no-income aka cost sensitive, (2) possibly bad mobile data infrastructure, (3) pay-as-you-go mobile data or limited wifi access. Your app is valuable because it is a REPLACEMENT for the company's real app, because the real deal (as you put it nicely) is too large. I would perhaps develop clones of your app for other social networks, and have a constellation of SocialLite apps for Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, Tumblr, etc... Why? Because the value is in how lightweight you are but still be able to satisfy end user needs. Do not add ads, or in-app purchase bullshit. Your users don't want that. And customers are gods. Why? Because you are collecting DATA. Usage patterns and quantifiable habits. The companies would be interested in that. Even just Facebook might be interested in what stats you have now, and having data on their frienemies adds proportionally more value. But Before you write another line of code, please reach out and get some feelers to see if the companies indeed want data and what data they are looking for. Since you are in developing markets, and companies want to expand there, you are providing a unique and rare insight into those markets. Data driven insights are better than anything else. P.S.: I would not survey the users. Bad UX (specifically bad information timing) and whatever little data you ascertain will not be actionable anyway.

brador 11y ago
How would you price the value of data? Who do you go to to sell data? If you had to guess, how much would FB pay for this apps data? Are there any hot startups in this data space?
- abannin 11y ago
  I fear that FB (or any other company) would not view this as a wonderful opportunity to purchase data about it's users, but rather another company stealing it's data. Remember when there were companies who made money off Twitter's API? FB is infinitely more territorial.
Rabidgremlin 11y ago
Thanks, the name was a (rare for me) bit of genius :) I like your thinking but I wouldn't begin to know how to shop this idea around. I'm on the otherside of the planet from say SF so door knocking would be a little tricky. Interestingly as mentioned in another comment, Facebook appear to have their own "Facebook Lite" app so perhaps they recognize they have a problem? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.lite https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.l...

ggurgone 11y ago

Here's how you could play it: 1) Play dirty: serve high resolution media (pic an videos) to the users - this results in more data downloaded = costs more money to your users. Here is where you ask them to pay a fair monthly subscription that would cost them less than $x-internet-provider-money (you can make tailor made plans depending on the stats) 2) Make it faster for who pays! At the very top of the page you could add a speed indicator (something like a thin progress bar) to indicate the speed of the page. Then make one of the views (the profile page for example) super fast to tease your users! and the ask for upgrade to premium to get all teH things fast :) No matter how you play it I would "re-brand" it and remove any reference to the FB UI - which I guess is (c) Mark Boy

woah 11y ago
All of these ideas will make your users hate you.
- ggurgone 11y ago
  I would pay for the 2nd option, I just mentioned the 1st because it popped in my mind but I agree with you there. Personally I hate ads or having my data sold to 3rd parties. Paying for an improvement in the speed is fair instead, it is a way to thank the developer.
- collyw 11y ago
  They are using it because its lighter. Lighter means faster. So taking away those two features and you are left with no reason for users to use it.

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cvitale 11y ago

Mr slightly viral, You priced your app at zero. It became a success. Monetizing your app now will probably make it less so. Rather monetize by building good will with your customers (brand) and applying lessons learned towards development of your app2. If it's good enough you can charge for it.

andrea_sdl 11y ago
I second this too. I wonder why are many advices in this topic don't consider the relationship between the OP and his users. That trust has a value, and OP should ever destroy it.
- kagamine 11y ago
  I can't be the only one who clicks on the developer's name in the app store to see what else they have available when the app I am using from them is good and free. If I get a good free app I'll be more likely to pay for the next one. OP should think long term, he is a developer by trade, a quick buck now isn't a smart move imo.

mastercoms 11y ago

When I think light, the last thing I think of is ads. Ads will make your app feel bloated to users.

Rabidgremlin 11y ago
Agree

pbreit 11y ago

How about the WhatsApp approach: first year free, then $0.99 per year?

ChicagoBoy11 11y ago
WhatsApp has a distinct advantage in the fact that it can rely on lock-in since the app itself is responsible for the connections that are made within it; Once the .99 price-tag comes along, you are faced with paying for it or losing your entire WhatsApp chat network/groups/etc. With OP's software, all of those connections are handled by FB, not his app. Therefore, if he were to charge something, people could simply opt for the next-best one that is free.

z3t4 11y ago

You can take the opportunity to build your brand, or someone else's. Gaining peoples thrust and building a reputation is hard, but very critical! Fifty thousands active users are worth about one million dollars.

Rabidgremlin 11y ago
A million dollars? How so ?
- z3t4 11y ago
  It's generally what's people are willing to spend on exposure, in lets say commercials, calculated for one year. It's an estimate on what you would earn from adds in one year. Introducing ads might make the users leave though, so be careful. There's also a risk Facebook would have something to say about your monetizing on their product. So my suggestion is to implement that feature ppl want, let them know about the awesome dude behind it, and that you care about their user experience. Then leverage the goodwill it creates to get free exposure and users to your other product(s), that are monetized. Basically you can use the app to build a loyal user base. An example is the dude who made Flappy Bird. He also got lots of downloads and exposure for his other games just by having his name on it.
  - Intoo 11y ago
    50K DAU won't get you more than 500k$ in annual revenues from ads

angryasian 11y ago

I'm not accusing you of anything, but Tinfoil is a great app thats similar. Also free and open source - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.danvelazco.fbwrapper https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.danvelazco...

Rabidgremlin 11y ago
Yes it is. I actually came across Tinfoil after I released my app. It does the same thing buts its "marketing message" was different so I did not find it when I first went looking for this type of app :(
toni 11y ago
I second this. Tinfoil is an amazing alternative if you don't want Facebook to track your every move with their official app. There is also "Tinfoil for Twitter"[1] with the same premise. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mill_e.twitterwrapper https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mill_e.twi...
psykovsky 11y ago
Another open source one: https://github.com/indywidualny/FacebookLite https://github.com/indywidualny/FacebookLite

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lucaspiller 11y ago

I have an app in the Google Play store, it has around 1,500 active installs and I decided to do a bit of an experiment last year by releasing a paid pro version. It was exactly the same, it just had a different colour icon and 'Pro' branding. I put the price at 99c/99p, and put a link to it in the free edition description (the descriptions were the same other than that). I was pretty surprised when people actually bought it... I think I made about $5 before I realised after a couple of weeks, and then I took it down. The app hadn't been touched for a few years and wasn't the best quality, so I didn't feel happy for basically scamming people. I was considering doing the same for a donate version, but wanted to improve the app first - which I never got around to. I think you could get some income by doing something similar, but it's very unlikely to replace your main income.

tobyhinloopen 11y ago
I don't consider it scamming to provide a paid version without extra features. There are other software products that have this, like Winrar and Cyberduck. Additionally, if I see a "free" and "paid" version of something I think I need/want, I always get the paid version, because I don't want ads. I'd rather pay 99c~2,99c for no-ads then having those freaking annoying ads. I want an ad-free home. No ads on my PC, TV or phone. Nowhere.
- concerned_user 11y ago
  It really depends on how it was worded, if it was saying that paid version is exactly the same and is there to express your support, then it is not a scam.

kirualex 11y ago

I had the same idea 4 years ago and did the exact same thing for several apps. This was a bad idea : https://medium.com/@kirualex/an-android-developers-nightmare-105cb3f3beef https://medium.com/@kirualex/an-android-developers-nightmare... Google content policy is now very clear : Do not post any applications whose primary function is to: generate traffic to a website; or provide an overview of a website that you do notown and you do not handle (unless you have permission of the owner / administrator of the website).

Rabidgremlin 11y ago
mmm, very informative. Need to go look at those policies again.
rquirk 11y ago
Wow, that's quite a surprise. I just checked the terms you quoted - https://play.google.com/about/developer-content-policy.html https://play.google.com/about/developer-content-policy.html - and of course you're absolutely right. I can see why Google specify this since a store filled with spammy apps wrapping popular sites would be bad for everyone. But this puts the kibosh on privacy-focused apps like Tinfoil for Facebook or the Twitter equivalent, and bloat-reducing apps like the OP's. I imagine that these have yet to be suspended simply because nobody at Google has noticed them.

crdoconnor 11y ago

Add an upgraded app that lets users redirect their traffic via servers you control. If they installed your app for privacy reasons, give them a reason to pay you for more privacy. If Turkey is very popular that tells me that your users might want to conceal the fact (from their government) that they use facebook at all.

mavromatis 11y ago
May I ask why you think that?

nait 11y ago

You could try adding a "Social Lite Deals" page where you put affiliate offers (e.g. stuff with reduced prices from Amazon). This way you provide some kind of additional value and don't risk offending your user base. Granted it won't be as effective as ads but perhaps it's a good starting point to figure out what your users like and accept.

blazespin 11y ago

Rather than monetize, I think instead you should try to get more people to install it. Make it better. Add features to block ads or something. Clearly you've built something people want. Find a way to engage with your users and build more trust with them. Your next app will be quite popular with them, I'm sure. You're trying to monetize too early. Get real traction first. A million dollars isn't cool. You know what's cool? A billion dollars.

zkhalique 11y ago

Yes, add google admob and facebook audience network ads, and a way to turn them off

onuryavuz 11y ago

Actually there is an official app published by Facebook, for size-sensitive users. It's called Facebook Lite and here is the google store link : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.lite https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.l...

dutchbrit 11y ago

Don't do ads, people will uninstall it in a jiffy. Create a second app, call it Social Lite Plus or something, and have some extra options - bit of a freemium version, but not sure if that's a possibility?

unicornporn 11y ago

If you do this I suspect most users will move to "Tinfoil for Facebook". It does exactly what you describe and is popular and open-source.

maerF0x0 11y ago

Do the whatsapp thing. Free for 1 year. $1 afterwards. Its affordable even in all those countries.

abannin 11y ago

Congrats! This is really awesome. You've found some amount of product-market fit, and that is really really amazing. I think you should keep going, as this is when things start to get hard. You've cleared a few hurdles, and now you need to clear some very different obstacles. From the countless hours that I've spent trying to figure out how to get users to give me money, I can confidently say that a surveying your users about monetization is the worst data you will ever see. I can also say, with 200% confidence, that ads are not the right decision at this point. Here is why: 1) They aren't your users. These are FB users, and if you start showing ads to them, FB will view this as stealing ad space from FB. Not a good spot to be in. 2) The geo distribution seems pretty clear that the light weight solution is a compelling feature. Ad SDKs are notoriously heavy on the binary, sometimes 20MB. Ads also use a large amount of data and are often slower than everything else. Most web pages could load in a fraction of time if they dropped the ads. So, putting in ads seems to kill the biggest feature of your app. I don't buy the argument that you can't monetize that geo distribution. It's true that those geos are overlooked by larger companies, but that also means less competition. Just know that you're fighting for low ARPU users. Whatsapp used this strategy wonderfully. When their competitors were fighting over iPhone penetration in the US, they were building for feature phones in similar geos. They also kept the price point low, keeping in mind they had lower ARPU users. I suspect that your best solution would be to find a compelling in-app-purchase (IAP). To do this, you'll need to start knowing everything about your users. What features do they use? What features do they not use? When do they use the app? What do they want to accomplish with the app? Remember, Line started selling stickers when everyone could use emotiacons. Sometimes the winning business model is the thing that no one thought to try or everyone thought was too dumb. What is FB missing from the experience that you could add? I've always been impressed at how user's actions can be the opposite of what they say. Your users will reveal their intent by what they do, so watch them very carefully. I suspect a very telling analysis would be to start comparing users who hit the day-7 mark and leave vs those who hit the day-7 mark and stay. My guess is that you'll start seeing some patterns about how retained users are interacting with the app, and then double down on that. As a side note, your DAU to installs ratio seems to imply poor retention for a social app. This may be because the growth is targeting the wrong type of user. Regardless, this is a number that you'll probably want to get to know very well. If you do have lower-then-average retention, find a way to turn it into a strength with other numbers that are really impressive, such as engagement. This is really, really awesome and you should be proud of what you have accomplished. The next stage of growth will be harder to scale, but the bragging rights are a few orders of magnitude higher up there. Keep it up!

antigirl 11y ago

Wouldnt the users get a better experience using the browser rather than using webview wrapped site?

polyvalent01 11y ago

Hi OP I'm from morocco and I can tell you that NOBODY in Morocco will pay your app. Why ? I'll tell you why. Here in the 3rd world countries we don't have credit card unless we get a job, and when I say "get a job" I mean 28 and up . Morocco is very different from Europe and US because we don't have unemployement and just to make a living is really hard. Also Piracy here is something commun because our ISP ( and we have only one lol who fuck the market with their High price and low value) Doesn't block torrent, as long as you stay out of Illegal stuffs... Also even if I have a credit card at 21 ( I worked in a call center in the last summer so I can afford it) I will never lose money on apps. First: I'm poor Second : We only have 10 000 Dirhams ( 900 Euro ) to spend in a whole YEAR. Wich means we're very careful on what we spend money on. So the best thing I can tell you is to add a banner and one or two Interstial ads and NOBODY will bat an eye . Hope I gave you an insight OP :)

Rabidgremlin 11y ago
Fantastic feedback, thanks!
neil_s 11y ago
I'd say the same about Indian users like myself. The sort of people who are downloading this app on their last-generation hardware are unlikely to pay for in-app purchases, and definitely not for donations. Although you do have reviews on the Play Store claiming to the contrary, so your call to make. Also worth evaluating whether the PPC network you're thinking of using will pay you the same rate for audiences in these countries as they do for audiences in the West (which is already very little)
cognitvesystem 11y ago
same here indonesia i hope immigrate to the USA ASAP
outworlder 11y ago
The bit about credit cards makes sense for Morocco. It is somewhat valid for Brazil. With the difference that, from the description, it is easier to get credit cards here. There's indeed a huge portion of the population that is underbanked, but there is still a large amount of credit cards to go around. Now, the problem is that the demographic that has both smartphones and disposable income will probably have a good enough smartphone that a 'lite' Facebook is not required.

rnovak 11y ago

I am/was in the same situation as far as popularity goes with my desktop application (for OSX), and I personally went the route of not monetizing at all. To me, the knowledge gained through every feature I added and every bug I fixed is/was more valuable than the money I could have made. Then again, I have a great paying job that I love, and I primarily built it because I couldn't find a similar application with the features I was looking for, so other people finding it useful is just a bonus. Plus, it's a great way to show that I have passion for development outside of work, and that I'm continually trying to improve myself as a programmer/engineer. I even provided detailed Arch/Design/Req docs in the github repos, just in case anyone was interested in looking. Of the options listed in this thread, I like the idea of adding an "in-app" purchase for the feature you mention gets requested a lot (photo uploads I believe). The knowledge that will give you is immensely valuable (being able to turn features on/off in the same application), if you don't already have that built in. Anyway, that's just my opinion, but you should do whatever you think will make you happy.

kriro 11y ago

I'd approach this differently and from reading your replies you seem to be a fairly laid back (non "cutthroat") guy so this might be interesting for you. Use it as a fun experiment to see how much you can grow it not how much you can monetize. Formulate some assumptions and test them. I'd personally pick one of the countries and see if I can push installs in that country hard (might be difficult due to language issues). Try to figure out how people learn about your app and install it. Figure out what phones it is installed on and write a blogpost on using your app on that phone etc. 55k active users isn't bad. If you keep on growing someone will get interested even if you didn't monetize before (possibly even because you didn't) especially since it's not a "fad app" but something sustainable as long as there's low resource phones. [worst case you can use it if you ever want to apply at Facebook] tl;dr: use it as your private growth-lab and learn a lot :)

scyllax 11y ago
Totally agree if you don't need the money it's the way to go.. it may become something even bigger.
- amelius 11y ago
  On the other hand, if it generates some money, it can perhaps allow you to work on it full-time, and you can make it grow even bigger! :)
perlgeek 11y ago
Also, once you have another project (maybe one that's easier to monetize) you want to push, you can use your existing app to drive a bit of traffic to it (as a sort of ad that shows only once per installation, for example).
sdernley 11y ago
I think this is good advice. Potentially it's possible to monetize it and use it as a playground too though. I've tried both and I think you learn different things from each, both very useful though.
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drawkbox 11y ago

With a free app you have to have your monetization in before launch. But this is a great platform to launch other apps from. Apps even next to a popular free app get more visibility/discovery. Many companies launch a free app designed solely for users to help drive pay app usage. Donation is probably the only option as advertising for those areas aren't as high in payout. Don't be sad by the letdown you will get from donation though, it is always way lower than expected. Ad supported apps also don't really get that much money. The only successful app strategy is to have quality apps and as many as you can support with quality levels.

raverbashing 11y ago

Don't monetize the app, but build from the success of it. You have an App with 240k installs, that's very good in a CV or when pitching your services. This demographic is not going to pay you, sorry. Now, developing apps that are light and work in older phones can be a marketable skill.

bond 11y ago

My opinion is not to listen people telling you not to put ads. Remember, your demographics is not first tier so that advice doesn't apply... You'd be surprised what a banner or an interstitial can bring on those countries....

pratyushag 11y ago

Given your motivations and comments, I would recommend that you have a whatsapp like subscription in place. One can get around paying for the subcription by inviting friends. For best results, make it easy enough to select all for the invite [you will soon realize that you'll get most of your users from such people who don't mind inviting a friend to an app they like a lot]. At some point in the next 1-2 years, you would likely get to 1 million downloads!

jmbrook 11y ago

First of congratulations on the app, it is fulfilling a real need. You have cracked the first problem of getting people to download + use +care about the app. I like the idea of doing the survey however from my experience (we did a paid for Google Customer survey) our users want more content and for price of free which wasn’t hugely useful. Personally I think you have three easy options: 1. Add some low level not too obtrusive adverts in (you will get a nice trickle of money in) From my own experience of putting adverts into a util app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teazel&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teazel&hl=...) no-one minds at all. The key is to not go overboard. We have banners that don't refresh too often, disappear if they going to draw over a dice. The number of apps I see show full screen adverts at start up, every page transition etc - all very icky. 2. As others have said try and grow it and use it for Resume/CV building. My one reservation on this is make sure you actually try and capitalise on it. I’m reminded of friends staying in awful jobs due to the training/experience and years later never really harvesting the rewards. 3. Use it to cross promote another app (either by yourself or sell the space). Getting an app to be downloaded is so hard now having this to kick start the next project is a great de-risker. I would go for option 1 or 3 depending on whether you have other apps in the pipeline. As an aside is this lightweight wrapping of a webapp model work for other providers? LinkedIn etc?

codecamper 11y ago

You spent an hour to write an app? ok.

Rabidgremlin 11y ago
I know, the app is embarrassing simple, maybe a 100 lines of code but apparently people find it useful.

sdernley 11y ago

Congratulations on the success of the app! When i've been in similar situations i've tried to look forward and not back. By that I mean, if it's getting a lot of downloads then let the people who have already downloaded it have it, don't change their experience by adding adverts in or damaging parts of the experience. Charge for new people to get the app. Saying that, I've never had it with as many people already downloaded the app, but i'd like to think i'd still do the same thing. I have an app that I originally charged for and it got very little downloads, I made it free for a while and didn't pay much attention to the downloads, went back to it at a later time and noticed it had a lot of downloads so I started charging for it just to see what would happen, I expected to make it free again within a week due to no downloads. Downloads obviously dropped a bit, but still kept a pretty consistent level and have done ever since. I make a point of always improving the app though, so maybe that helps too but I just think it comes down to timing and having those previous downloads could help, it seemed to help me. I'm not sure if you can turn a free Android app into a paid one though, I don't think you used to be able to, so that might all be pointless and you'd have to make a new id for it, but you've proved people definitely want it. Whatever you do, good luck. I'm sure having a high downloaded app will help you at some point even if you don't manage to do as much as you want with this one. I hope you do.

garagemc2 11y ago

☻ I'm sure everyone else has gone through the pro's and cons of different monetisation and product strategies. ☻ But having looked through the thread, I don't believe anyone has asked you to think about Why the app is getting traction. ☻ You can come up with your own hypothesis or you can ask your users. ☻ Once you've understood why, you'll be better placed to take the next step. Whether that involves monetisation, creating clones, developing the app, not developing the app - that is up to you. ☻Tl;dr Find out why users like your app and try to strategise based on that.

ranrub 11y ago

Is this really just a webview that loads m.facebook.com?

qwz 11y ago

Looks like the same kind of users as Opera Mini which has high number of users in Indonesia, India, Pakistan etc. They face similar problems as you do. Many users which don't have much money. Idea 1) Sell it to Opera Software Idea 2) Do like Opera and sign deals with mobile network operators to include operator content Idea 3) Sell Internet access through your app. Internet access is normally sold by hour in these countries. Sign deals with operators and similar. Idea 4) Advertising in app

eddiedunn 11y ago

Kickstarter campaigns often charge people extra money for getting access to Alpha and Beta builds. People are impatient, many want stuff sooner rather than later, so they pay for it. You could offer a modified version of this; allow premium customers access to new features earlier, but roll out the updates to your free subscribers eventually as well. After a delay of 3 months perhaps? It will gently encourage people to upgrade, but those who don't want to pay won't feel cheated as they will get the features eventually as well.

fabiandesimone 11y ago

Why not put 'App Recomendations' messages that drive installs for other apps? There's a ton of CPA networks that pay anywhere from .5 to $3 for an app install.

mbesto 11y ago

Make a pro version with a few extra features and sell it for $2.99.

samet 11y ago

I developed and maintained a game for Android devices for 3 years and the game was for Turkish players only. 80 percent of my time was spent for optimizing the game for low-end devices; low-end devices lead the market because of those are the ones that majority of high school (or even primary school) students' parents could afford. Not surprisingly, revenue coming from low-end devices segment was almost zero because young people using these devices are usually under 18 and were not allowed to have credit cards. Even relatively older ones (such as college students) didn't spend any money because they were trying to survive as students with a limited budget. Nexus One is a great smartphone with an acceptable large screen and you can still buy a working one from the second hand market. The weakest point of this cheap-heavy duty device is the limited memory, which is you focused on. (Actually it can be hacked to extend internal memory to micro SD card, but still hard for many people.) Another example of low-end devices is Samsung Galaxy Ace. That is, my friend, a time and effort killer with almost no returns except always complaining free users.

philbarr 11y ago

I wouldn't bother with ads. One of my apps [1] has about 13,000 active users and I make ~£20 a month with it. Ads just don't make you any money. Although this is just my experience, obviously, and there may be reasons why the ads in my app aren't as successful as yours could be. Still, I think it's probably not worth annoying your users for the paltry amount of cash you'll raise. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simplyapped.sayit https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simplyappe...

adam12 11y ago

Create a supporting website and put ads on that. Blog about updates and maybe even your experience creating the app. If you had that right now, you could be getting a lot of traffic from HN. I'm afraid if you put ads in the app you will lose a lot of users and get negative feedback.

whalesalad 11y ago

One of your recent reviews: "Cool! (mainly because there're no ads) To developers: keep ads out please -- willing to pay for it. Android ads are getting extremely intolerably utterly annoying and painful and stupid. Also, please keep network traffic minimal."

RossTech 11y ago

Instead of all the pop ups, or ads etc, how about just a simple message to users asking for a contribution. It's a much more direct, and far less abrasive approach, plus it's personal and seems reasonable. I'm betting it will convert at 5 - 10% of users aged 16+. E.g. Hi, I hope you are enjoying this app and finding it useful. Could you support this app by paying a one-time fee of just $1? It will allow me to keep the app updated and best of all running ad-free! Thanks in advance.

comeonnow 11y ago
I agree I think this approach would appeal more to me as a user. I'd also set the options as: 1) Happy to donate 2) No, and don't ask again
speedyapoc 11y ago
Based off of OP's user demographics, I'm really doubtful that a donate option would convert 5-10% or make him any considerable money at all. I own a similarly popular free app and I offer an option to pay a very small fee to remove ads and get other features within the app. The income from this purchase (which actually benefits the user as opposed to a donation) takes about 5 months to equal what I do in a day off of ads.

tlogan 11y ago

55k active users is super! Since you are popular in 3rd world countries I would suggesting adding something your users can earn some extra money directly from phone. Maybe fiverr integration, odesk, amazon turk, etc.

Raphmedia 11y ago

1. Do not touch the current app. As everybody said, you will simply lose people. 2. Create extra features for a PRO version. Perhaps simply a tab that let you switch between Twitter and Facebook? From what I understand, your app is pretty much a wrapper with a mobile site inside of it. Add tabs for other social websites. Pinterest, Twitter, etc. Something simple that people are going to be willing to pay a few extra coins for.

julienmarie 11y ago

FYI, Philippines is an English speaking country.

bthornbury 11y ago

I have very similar install numbers to your app on one of mine and I have had excellent monetization off a single banner ad across the bottom. It reduces the usable screen area by only a little and is hardly intrusive to the experience.

andreasvourkos 11y ago

Rabidgremlin since you are planning to put a survey in place to understand what your users need, you can actually integrate Pollfish (http://www.pollfish.com http://www.pollfish.com) which actually allows you both to survey your users for free easily, and also monetize in a different way than classic ads!

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ghosh 11y ago

Looks like fb got the same idea now. http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/04/download-facebook-lite/ http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/04/download-facebook-lite/ wrt monetization you can try adding a splash page, which the users can see they when login/log out of the app. Can connect you to some Indian app / game guys if you are interested.

rajington 11y ago

Monetization just got a little tricker :( http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/04/facebook-lite-app http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/04/facebook-lite-app