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BeeWare – The IDEs of Python

47 points by trueduke 11y ago

anoother 11y ago
Related talk by the developer, re. developing GUIs with TKInter, and introducting the Cricket test runner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI7NYgP54sw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI7NYgP54sw
wslh 11y ago
The title misrepresent the content, just trying to clarify it in the second sentence with "Each tool follows the Unix philosophy of doing one thing well". Almost everyone will expect an IDE such as JetBrains PyCharm, Visual Studio, and Eclipse.
- pekk 11y ago
  It seems that BeeWare has produced its own set of tools and has described these as "The IDEs of Python" even though they are neither IDEs, there are other IDEs, and there is nothing official about BeeWare's tools. Too bad, because it makes sense to get some exposure for these particular tools that probably few people have ever heard of.
  - bitwize 11y ago
    I think it's a pun -- on "Beware the ides of March".
    - iterati 11y ago
      If your first inclination in marketing your project is to make it a terrible pun instead of something more descriptive and correct, you're doing it wrong.
- dr_zoidberg 11y ago
  I was also expecting something along those lines. I haven't used much Visual Studio for Python development, but in my experience PyCharm is much better than PyDev(Eclipse). I did see someone use VS, but I can't really compare it to PyCharm. For me, PyCharm has been so good, it's become one of the main reasons why I've been staying with Python, because no matter how much I complain about the issues of Python ("it's slow", 2 vs 3, Python in Windows 64 bit, to name a few), PyCharm does a lot of things right and helps in development. It's also great to welcome new developers: just install it and it'll all magically work (99% of the time). Not the experience we had with Eclipse.
  - aprdm 11y ago
    Can you talk about the main things that make PyCharm good for you? I've tried it but decided to stay with command line + sublime text... What are the game changers? Thanks
    - PascLeRasc 11y ago
      For me, it was very easy to use coming from Matlab, and the bult-in console allowed for the same "exploratory programming" that Matlab is praised for. I never feel like Pycharm is in the way like a lot of IDEs can be (and the reason why I usually prefer command-line).
    - BozeWolf 11y ago
      PyCharm's debugger is awesome. [1] It really is faster then the import pdb;pdb.settrace(). (which happens to get committed sometimes). Code coverage displaying is really well implemented. Autocompletion and introspection is great. On a lot of frameworks as well. Continuously displays python linting issues and suggests fixes. Vagrant support works really good, even for remote debugging and running tests/devservers. The git implementation is quite useful, although I do fall back on command line every now and then. You can customize pycharm's interface a lot (impossible to explain in just a line or 2). If you like to edit distraction-free... there is a mode for that too. It has an internal git system. So if you screw stuff between git commits, you can revert to a previous version nonetheless (local version) There are a few ways to open files: a tree view, an "alfred"-like method and probably more. 1: https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/#debugger https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/#debugger Things i do not use: The internal terminal; iTerm just is a lot better. The interal ipython console. I prefer iTerm + iPython. FTP and oldschool stuff like that. Did not try the new profiling feature yet.
      - dr_zoidberg 11y ago
        Hmmm will be looking into the debugger!
      - crimsonalucard 11y ago
        You should note remote debugging is awesome too. You can remote into external servers or even a local vagrant and debug it as if it was local code.
- kej 11y ago
  >Unlike a traditional IDE, each tool is self contained and can be used on its own. Neat tools, but this is literally the opposite of an IDE.
  - a3n 11y ago
    Unless *nix is your IDE. :) http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/series/unix-as-ide/ http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/series/unix-as-ide/
  - dec0dedab0de 11y ago
    this is literally the opposite of an IDE Would it be a UDE?
radiowave 11y ago
Well, it makes a change from the Ides of March.
reamworks 11y ago
" BeeWare follows Python community code of conduct." I'll pass. I'm not Adria Richards, and I don't indict innocent men.
opaque_salmon 11y ago
These tools look like something I might use, I've never been a fan of IDE's (mostly because the work I've done haven't been large enough in scale to necessitate one). It's a pretty misleading title though.
nsxwolf 11y ago
This is probably the best name for anything ever.
Redoubts 11y ago
Why would I use Rubicon instead of pyobjc?
vittore 11y ago
Anyone can compare toga vs kivy?

47 points by trueduke 11y ago

Related talk by the developer, re. developing GUIs with TKInter, and introducting the Cricket test runner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI7NYgP54sw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI7NYgP54sw

wslh 11y ago

The title misrepresent the content, just trying to clarify it in the second sentence with "Each tool follows the Unix philosophy of doing one thing well". Almost everyone will expect an IDE such as JetBrains PyCharm, Visual Studio, and Eclipse.

pekk 11y ago
It seems that BeeWare has produced its own set of tools and has described these as "The IDEs of Python" even though they are neither IDEs, there are other IDEs, and there is nothing official about BeeWare's tools. Too bad, because it makes sense to get some exposure for these particular tools that probably few people have ever heard of.
- bitwize 11y ago
  I think it's a pun -- on "Beware the ides of March".
  - iterati 11y ago
    If your first inclination in marketing your project is to make it a terrible pun instead of something more descriptive and correct, you're doing it wrong.
dr_zoidberg 11y ago
I was also expecting something along those lines. I haven't used much Visual Studio for Python development, but in my experience PyCharm is much better than PyDev(Eclipse). I did see someone use VS, but I can't really compare it to PyCharm. For me, PyCharm has been so good, it's become one of the main reasons why I've been staying with Python, because no matter how much I complain about the issues of Python ("it's slow", 2 vs 3, Python in Windows 64 bit, to name a few), PyCharm does a lot of things right and helps in development. It's also great to welcome new developers: just install it and it'll all magically work (99% of the time). Not the experience we had with Eclipse.
- aprdm 11y ago
  Can you talk about the main things that make PyCharm good for you? I've tried it but decided to stay with command line + sublime text... What are the game changers? Thanks
  - PascLeRasc 11y ago
    For me, it was very easy to use coming from Matlab, and the bult-in console allowed for the same "exploratory programming" that Matlab is praised for. I never feel like Pycharm is in the way like a lot of IDEs can be (and the reason why I usually prefer command-line).
  - BozeWolf 11y ago
    PyCharm's debugger is awesome. [1] It really is faster then the import pdb;pdb.settrace(). (which happens to get committed sometimes). Code coverage displaying is really well implemented. Autocompletion and introspection is great. On a lot of frameworks as well. Continuously displays python linting issues and suggests fixes. Vagrant support works really good, even for remote debugging and running tests/devservers. The git implementation is quite useful, although I do fall back on command line every now and then. You can customize pycharm's interface a lot (impossible to explain in just a line or 2). If you like to edit distraction-free... there is a mode for that too. It has an internal git system. So if you screw stuff between git commits, you can revert to a previous version nonetheless (local version) There are a few ways to open files: a tree view, an "alfred"-like method and probably more. 1: https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/#debugger https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/#debugger Things i do not use: The internal terminal; iTerm just is a lot better. The interal ipython console. I prefer iTerm + iPython. FTP and oldschool stuff like that. Did not try the new profiling feature yet.
    - dr_zoidberg 11y ago
      Hmmm will be looking into the debugger!
    - crimsonalucard 11y ago
      You should note remote debugging is awesome too. You can remote into external servers or even a local vagrant and debug it as if it was local code.
kej 11y ago
>Unlike a traditional IDE, each tool is self contained and can be used on its own. Neat tools, but this is literally the opposite of an IDE.
- a3n 11y ago
  Unless *nix is your IDE. :) http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/series/unix-as-ide/ http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/series/unix-as-ide/
- dec0dedab0de 11y ago
  this is literally the opposite of an IDE Would it be a UDE?

radiowave 11y ago

Well, it makes a change from the Ides of March.

reamworks 11y ago

" BeeWare follows Python community code of conduct." I'll pass. I'm not Adria Richards, and I don't indict innocent men.

opaque_salmon 11y ago

These tools look like something I might use, I've never been a fan of IDE's (mostly because the work I've done haven't been large enough in scale to necessitate one). It's a pretty misleading title though.

nsxwolf 11y ago

This is probably the best name for anything ever.

Redoubts 11y ago

Why would I use Rubicon instead of pyobjc?

vittore 11y ago

Anyone can compare toga vs kivy?