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The location you share with your friend is dead accurate, not an area but the exact gps point in map. I did not realize I was sharing location when the feature

by kanche 11y ago

The location you share with your friend is dead accurate, not an area but the exact gps point in map. I did not realize I was sharing location when the feature was first announced -- told a friend I am just five minutes away from his house: he replied no you aren't -- found this feature and switched it off for good at that moment, it's intimidating.

nodata 11y ago
Or maybe not lie?
- hiamnew 11y ago
  Small lies like that are a huge part of everyday communications. No one should feel overly guilty about them and we need to be able to make them. They can be a kind of courtesy.
  - icebraining 11y ago
    On that note, I recommend Mark Twain's On The Decay Of The Art Of Lying: http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2572/pg2572.html http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2572/pg2572.html
  - dmak 11y ago
    While I do agree with being able to make small lies, but why would you tell someone whose waiting for you that you are 5 minutes away if you are clearly not. Maybe it's just me, but when someone says 5 minutes, I don't expect 10, 15, or 30. I expect 5 minutes. This is especially true in Asian cultures.
    - xux 11y ago
      The point is, it doesn't matter. It's none of your business why someone lies.
      - dmak 11y ago
        Actually, the point is to manage expectations. Instead of saying I'll be there in 5 minutes, it would be better to say I am going to be X minutes late. There's lying to hide your business, but there's also lying and being inconsiderate of other people's time.
        Squarel 11y ago
        Or, it could be your best estimate, based on current traffic conditions or walking speed. I always underestimate how long it will take,this does not mean I am lying, it means I am bad at guessing how long it takes me to walk/drive/sit in a train somewhere
        lmm 11y ago
        In which case surely your friend getting an automatic, accurate version of your position from facebook would be better for both of you?
    - personlurking 11y ago
      One of the worst offenders is Brazil. When living there, it was common to hear "I'm on my way" (to an agreed meeting point at a specific time) but that could mean they actually are on their way or that they've just got up from the couch and will go take a shower, choose what to wear, maybe have a bite to eat and then think about transportation. Knowing this, the trick was either to not take specific times seriously or to give a fake meeting time (earlier than the actual one) so the person gets there on time.
      - tolt 11y ago
        As a norwegian living in Peru I used the same methods. I started to tell my peruvian friends that we were meeting at a resturant instead of a street corner. Different cultures have different understanding of time.
      - at-fates-hands 11y ago
        When I was in college, my Native American roommate introduced to "native time" which is the same as you related it while you were in Brazil. If he had no set time to meet, he'd say he would be there around "native o' clock" which meant he would be there at the time +/- 30-45 minutes. If we agreed to a specific time, he would be there on time. It really helped me and I learned a lot about how Native American culture operated while we were roommates.
    - paganel 11y ago
      It depends on the culture. When I hear "I'll be late 5 minutes" that usually means 10 or 15, "10 minutes late" means an actual 20 or 30 minutes, while everything higher than 20 minutes could mean an actual hour. I live in Romania.
      - dmak 11y ago
        "I'll be late 5 minutes" does not have the same set of expectations for "I am just five minutes away" which is what kanche said.
        dalore 11y ago
        I'll be late 5 minutes means you're 10 minutes away (5 minutes to get there on time and 5 minutes of being late).
      - Fuxy 11y ago
        That's why i set myself a rule of whenever somebody says I will be there in 5 minutes I translate it to give me 5 minutes to show up if i don't forget about it. And I hold everyone to it. If you don't show up in the amount of time you specify I'm gone. I'm Romanian too I just hate wasting my time. My friends learned that really quickly.
        rokhayakebe 11y ago
        If you don't show up in the amount of time you specify I'm gone. Respect.
        deleted 11y ago
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        untog 11y ago
        What if they get stuck on the train? There are other, non-lazy reasons for being late. If I'd taken a 30 minute train ride to come and see you, been delayed by 10 minutes, then find you're gone when I arrive I don't think our friendship would last very long.
    - qubex 11y ago
      He might've been closer than he was making out to be. Yours is an unwarranted assumption.
  - nodata 11y ago
    What's the benefit (to both parties) for the example he gave?
  - learnstats2 11y ago
    When people make this lie, what they are really saying is: "Stop whatever you are doing and be ready and waiting for when I finally arrive". The negative consequences fall on the person receiving the lie. It's not a courtesy. It has long-term consequences to your credibility and trustworthiness. It is far better to tell the truth in this case.
    - Squarel 11y ago
      The truth would be "I have no clue how long it will take me to get there"
      - learnstats2 11y ago
        "I just passed landmark X and I'm on foot" is often more helpful.
        corobo 11y ago
        Or maybe "Here's my GPS coords and current speed". Facebook Messenger should add direction and speed information!
        mc808 11y ago
        It would also be helpful if they could notify the recipient when my digestive system is below 10% capacity, so they would know that I'm likely to stop for a bite to eat (and maybe suggest a good restaurant nearby if Facebook hasn't done so already).
        smokinn 11y ago
        Glympse does this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glympse.android.glympse&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glympse.an...
        spacemanmatt 11y ago
        Does it still suck raw eggs? I wanted that functionality but found Glympse too horrible to use at the time, a while back.
  - rdl 11y ago
    There are also cases where lying to say something is longer than the direct distance is more accurate. i.e. if I know I'm going to stop for gas/etc., even if I'm "5 minutes away" by distance, I might say I'm 10 minutes away.
- darklajid 11y ago
  That's unrelated. Sharing _exact_ locations by default without realizing it is creepy/intimidating. The content of the message/the incident itself is just an anecdote that explains how the GP noticed this idiotic behavior of FB's chat. Commenting on the anecdote derails the thread as far as I'm concerned. The subject is 'FB shares detailed location data and you might not know it', not 'one time, in band camp, I lied to a friend about my ETA'. Ignoring that, there's no way to judge his communication with a friend. The only two people that can decide whether a lie like that is acceptable are the people involved. The friend might be offended and agree with you. Or laugh about it and ask for a beer in return, being totally fine with it. Expecting it? Who knows. And still irrelevant. We can blame HN for being unable to hide subthreads, but for now the first 2 pages on my 25" monitor discuss if lies are acceptable or not and in what circumstances..
  - kanche 11y ago
    Thanks for seeing the focal point of my comment. Cheers! In India, " bus(just) 5 minute mein(in) aaya(coming) " is a way of saying I am going to reach there soon and the other end knows this means either he is far away or hasn't even started yet. His reply was a banter. Literal translation created this whole mess! This has nothing to do with ETA.
  - outericky 11y ago
    At least on iOS, they have to ask to use location services. Granted, it doesn't say "so we can tell your contacts exactly where you are..." but for iOS users at least, the default should always be "No" when an app asks. Then decide later.
  - bentcorner 11y ago
    I'm adding to the noise, but on Firefox there's a "add collapse subthreads button" add-on. I think there's one for Chrome too.
    - pavel_lishin 11y ago
      https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-collapsible-c/hockhafcdegocajmjhafgjncjpodihkd?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-collap...
- rainingtomorrow 11y ago
  That's a good example of how faulty "if you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about" argument is.
  - d0vs 11y ago
    He has something to hide
    - josefresco 11y ago
      Everyone, has something to hide.
- dspillett 11y ago
  It may not have been a lie. It could simply have been a bad estimate, maybe he guessed he was about five minutes away but didn't know the area too well and was more then ten minutes away?
  - LLWM 11y ago
    Then it's a good thing Facebook came through with the more accurate information.

by kanche 11y ago

nodata 11y ago

Or maybe not lie?

hiamnew 11y ago
Small lies like that are a huge part of everyday communications. No one should feel overly guilty about them and we need to be able to make them. They can be a kind of courtesy.
- icebraining 11y ago
  On that note, I recommend Mark Twain's On The Decay Of The Art Of Lying: http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2572/pg2572.html http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2572/pg2572.html
- dmak 11y ago
  While I do agree with being able to make small lies, but why would you tell someone whose waiting for you that you are 5 minutes away if you are clearly not. Maybe it's just me, but when someone says 5 minutes, I don't expect 10, 15, or 30. I expect 5 minutes. This is especially true in Asian cultures.
  - xux 11y ago
    The point is, it doesn't matter. It's none of your business why someone lies.
    - dmak 11y ago
      Actually, the point is to manage expectations. Instead of saying I'll be there in 5 minutes, it would be better to say I am going to be X minutes late. There's lying to hide your business, but there's also lying and being inconsiderate of other people's time.
      - Squarel 11y ago
        Or, it could be your best estimate, based on current traffic conditions or walking speed. I always underestimate how long it will take,this does not mean I am lying, it means I am bad at guessing how long it takes me to walk/drive/sit in a train somewhere
        lmm 11y ago
        In which case surely your friend getting an automatic, accurate version of your position from facebook would be better for both of you?
  - personlurking 11y ago
    One of the worst offenders is Brazil. When living there, it was common to hear "I'm on my way" (to an agreed meeting point at a specific time) but that could mean they actually are on their way or that they've just got up from the couch and will go take a shower, choose what to wear, maybe have a bite to eat and then think about transportation. Knowing this, the trick was either to not take specific times seriously or to give a fake meeting time (earlier than the actual one) so the person gets there on time.
    - tolt 11y ago
      As a norwegian living in Peru I used the same methods. I started to tell my peruvian friends that we were meeting at a resturant instead of a street corner. Different cultures have different understanding of time.
    - at-fates-hands 11y ago
      When I was in college, my Native American roommate introduced to "native time" which is the same as you related it while you were in Brazil. If he had no set time to meet, he'd say he would be there around "native o' clock" which meant he would be there at the time +/- 30-45 minutes. If we agreed to a specific time, he would be there on time. It really helped me and I learned a lot about how Native American culture operated while we were roommates.
  - paganel 11y ago
    It depends on the culture. When I hear "I'll be late 5 minutes" that usually means 10 or 15, "10 minutes late" means an actual 20 or 30 minutes, while everything higher than 20 minutes could mean an actual hour. I live in Romania.
    - dmak 11y ago
      "I'll be late 5 minutes" does not have the same set of expectations for "I am just five minutes away" which is what kanche said.
      - dalore 11y ago
        I'll be late 5 minutes means you're 10 minutes away (5 minutes to get there on time and 5 minutes of being late).
    - Fuxy 11y ago
      That's why i set myself a rule of whenever somebody says I will be there in 5 minutes I translate it to give me 5 minutes to show up if i don't forget about it. And I hold everyone to it. If you don't show up in the amount of time you specify I'm gone. I'm Romanian too I just hate wasting my time. My friends learned that really quickly.
      - rokhayakebe 11y ago
        If you don't show up in the amount of time you specify I'm gone. Respect.
      - deleted 11y ago
        [deleted]
      - untog 11y ago
        What if they get stuck on the train? There are other, non-lazy reasons for being late. If I'd taken a 30 minute train ride to come and see you, been delayed by 10 minutes, then find you're gone when I arrive I don't think our friendship would last very long.
  - qubex 11y ago
    He might've been closer than he was making out to be. Yours is an unwarranted assumption.
- nodata 11y ago
  What's the benefit (to both parties) for the example he gave?
- learnstats2 11y ago
  When people make this lie, what they are really saying is: "Stop whatever you are doing and be ready and waiting for when I finally arrive". The negative consequences fall on the person receiving the lie. It's not a courtesy. It has long-term consequences to your credibility and trustworthiness. It is far better to tell the truth in this case.
  - Squarel 11y ago
    The truth would be "I have no clue how long it will take me to get there"
    - learnstats2 11y ago
      "I just passed landmark X and I'm on foot" is often more helpful.
      - corobo 11y ago
        Or maybe "Here's my GPS coords and current speed". Facebook Messenger should add direction and speed information!
        mc808 11y ago
        It would also be helpful if they could notify the recipient when my digestive system is below 10% capacity, so they would know that I'm likely to stop for a bite to eat (and maybe suggest a good restaurant nearby if Facebook hasn't done so already).
        smokinn 11y ago
        Glympse does this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glympse.android.glympse&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glympse.an...
        spacemanmatt 11y ago
        Does it still suck raw eggs? I wanted that functionality but found Glympse too horrible to use at the time, a while back.
- rdl 11y ago
  There are also cases where lying to say something is longer than the direct distance is more accurate. i.e. if I know I'm going to stop for gas/etc., even if I'm "5 minutes away" by distance, I might say I'm 10 minutes away.
darklajid 11y ago
That's unrelated. Sharing _exact_ locations by default without realizing it is creepy/intimidating. The content of the message/the incident itself is just an anecdote that explains how the GP noticed this idiotic behavior of FB's chat. Commenting on the anecdote derails the thread as far as I'm concerned. The subject is 'FB shares detailed location data and you might not know it', not 'one time, in band camp, I lied to a friend about my ETA'. Ignoring that, there's no way to judge his communication with a friend. The only two people that can decide whether a lie like that is acceptable are the people involved. The friend might be offended and agree with you. Or laugh about it and ask for a beer in return, being totally fine with it. Expecting it? Who knows. And still irrelevant. We can blame HN for being unable to hide subthreads, but for now the first 2 pages on my 25" monitor discuss if lies are acceptable or not and in what circumstances..
- kanche 11y ago
  Thanks for seeing the focal point of my comment. Cheers! In India, " bus(just) 5 minute mein(in) aaya(coming) " is a way of saying I am going to reach there soon and the other end knows this means either he is far away or hasn't even started yet. His reply was a banter. Literal translation created this whole mess! This has nothing to do with ETA.
- outericky 11y ago
  At least on iOS, they have to ask to use location services. Granted, it doesn't say "so we can tell your contacts exactly where you are..." but for iOS users at least, the default should always be "No" when an app asks. Then decide later.
- bentcorner 11y ago
  I'm adding to the noise, but on Firefox there's a "add collapse subthreads button" add-on. I think there's one for Chrome too.
  - pavel_lishin 11y ago
    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-collapsible-c/hockhafcdegocajmjhafgjncjpodihkd?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-collap...
rainingtomorrow 11y ago
That's a good example of how faulty "if you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about" argument is.
- d0vs 11y ago
  He has something to hide
  - josefresco 11y ago
    Everyone, has something to hide.
dspillett 11y ago
It may not have been a lie. It could simply have been a bad estimate, maybe he guessed he was about five minutes away but didn't know the area too well and was more then ten minutes away?
- LLWM 11y ago
  Then it's a good thing Facebook came through with the more accurate information.