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http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/story/news/local/2014/08/09/remembering-pfc-williams/13841727/ http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/story/news/local/2014/08/09...

http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/story/news/local/2014/08/09/remembering-pfc-williams/13841727/ http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/story/news/local/2014/08/09... Killed last year in Afghanistan at age 19. He was six years old on 11 September 2001.

whoisthemachine 11y ago
Wow that's very sad.
- krick 11y ago
  What I'm going to say seems like extremely unpopular opinion, but why exactly is it sad? Because somebody died? Yeah, sure, this part could be sad, except people die all the time. Because "Young Brave American Soldier" was killed by "the enemies"? Oh hell no. He didn't die on someone's behalf: he was the one who invaded somebody's home country and was killed by people protecting that place from people like him. I'm more grieving for people he killed, than for himself. Maybe it's sad because he died because of USA government, who is so fond of making war? For me, it doesn't seem to work either: as far as I know USA has a volunteer military, nobody forced him into it. He has consciously chosen killing others (and, possibly, being killed himself) as his professional activity. For me, the fact he voluntarily made such choice is more sad than the fact he suffered from it. So why exactly is it sad?
  - chii 11y ago
    it's sad because the fact that he thought that his choice was the best for his country - a sort of misplaced, misguided loyalty. And it's being taken advantage of by those in power to propagate an agenda that doesn't benefit many americans at all.
    - littletimmy 11y ago
      Would you extend the same courtesy to fighters on the other side?
      - prawn 11y ago
        Yes.
  - whoisthemachine 11y ago
    I found it sad simply because we now have soldiers dying on foreign battlefields who were only children when our government - speaking for the will of the majority at the time - decided to get into these conflicts. We now have soldiers dying for a war that they were too young to understand or debate about whether they should enter it at that time. So even if a young man or woman wants to enter the military with the ideal to serve their country, but not necessarily on the old battlefields of the last decade, he or she really has no choice. Either you enter the military and sign on to the fact that you may enter a war that you had no say in or you choose a different path in life. For some, that could be a difficult, sad position to be in. When they lose their life, it's even sadder.
lawnchair_larry 11y ago
Is there something particularly noteworthy about this case? Both sides have youth signing up in droves to kill each other, and each individual is simultaneously a courageous hero fighting for freedom, or subhuman trash.

whoisthemachine 11y ago

Wow that's very sad.

krick 11y ago
What I'm going to say seems like extremely unpopular opinion, but why exactly is it sad? Because somebody died? Yeah, sure, this part could be sad, except people die all the time. Because "Young Brave American Soldier" was killed by "the enemies"? Oh hell no. He didn't die on someone's behalf: he was the one who invaded somebody's home country and was killed by people protecting that place from people like him. I'm more grieving for people he killed, than for himself. Maybe it's sad because he died because of USA government, who is so fond of making war? For me, it doesn't seem to work either: as far as I know USA has a volunteer military, nobody forced him into it. He has consciously chosen killing others (and, possibly, being killed himself) as his professional activity. For me, the fact he voluntarily made such choice is more sad than the fact he suffered from it. So why exactly is it sad?
- chii 11y ago
  it's sad because the fact that he thought that his choice was the best for his country - a sort of misplaced, misguided loyalty. And it's being taken advantage of by those in power to propagate an agenda that doesn't benefit many americans at all.
  - littletimmy 11y ago
    Would you extend the same courtesy to fighters on the other side?
    - prawn 11y ago
      Yes.
- whoisthemachine 11y ago
  I found it sad simply because we now have soldiers dying on foreign battlefields who were only children when our government - speaking for the will of the majority at the time - decided to get into these conflicts. We now have soldiers dying for a war that they were too young to understand or debate about whether they should enter it at that time. So even if a young man or woman wants to enter the military with the ideal to serve their country, but not necessarily on the old battlefields of the last decade, he or she really has no choice. Either you enter the military and sign on to the fact that you may enter a war that you had no say in or you choose a different path in life. For some, that could be a difficult, sad position to be in. When they lose their life, it's even sadder.

lawnchair_larry 11y ago

Is there something particularly noteworthy about this case? Both sides have youth signing up in droves to kill each other, and each individual is simultaneously a courageous hero fighting for freedom, or subhuman trash.