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"Until thorough benchmarking is completed by me or someone else, I think the best way to put it is this: Task View often runs at 60FPS, while Mission Control ne

"Until thorough benchmarking is completed by me or someone else, I think the best way to put it is this: Task View often runs at 60FPS, while Mission Control never runs at 60FPS" So, it seems that in this case a beta version of Windows works best than MacOS

woof 11y ago
"runs better"? I'm baffled.
hrktb 11y ago
I have a hard time understanding the equivalence. Is task view supposed to be representative of all windows programs ? Is Mission Control supposed to be the fastest OSX program ? I don't use windows So I'll also have to ask, are these programs actually comparable in what they do ?
- sz4kerto 11y ago
  Yes, Task View and Mission Control are similar. I don't think that this speed comparison is very useful, but in my experience the graphics drivers under Windows are significantly better than on OSX or on Linux. (I run Ubuntu, OSX and Windows 10 on my retina MBP, and desktop graphics performance on Win10 is way better than the rest. By 'desktop graphics performance' I mean window management, scrolling of 2D content in browsers and other apps.) However, Win 10 runs quite inefficiently on Apple hardware in terms of battery life. On a side note, I find Win10 as the first Windows that is usable on HiDPI machines.
  - seanmcdirmid 11y ago
    I'm using Windows 8 on both a rMBP (~220 PPI) and a 4K 28" monitor in the office (~150 PPI). It has worked fine for awhile, the only problem are some legacy apps (e.g. font forge, the font installer, and oddly enough, BootCamp!).
    - sz4kerto 11y ago
      Yes, but Win10 will also bring display-dependent scaling, i.e. you will able to manually set a different scaling level per display.
      - seanmcdirmid 11y ago
        Ya, that would be cool. I couldn't get a second display to work with my 4K...well, it sort of worked but was horribly distorted.
  - userbinator 11y ago
    the graphics drivers under Windows are significantly better than on OSX or on Linux An influence from its gaming heritage? I know that GPU companies definitely spend a lot more effort on improving their Windows drivers than on other OSs, because of gamers.
    - izacus 11y ago
      That and the fact that Apple just doesn't seem to care much about 3D support... the 3D stack is about 3 years out of date now, GPU drivers as well (and nVidia etc. can't update them). Yosemite had NO updates to the GPU drivers or OpenGL support at all and currently it's still about 20-30% slower on the same hardware compared to Windows. If I'm a bit cynical, Apple is deliberately refusing updates just so they'll be able to tout huge 20% performance improvement of their proprietary Metal when they bring it to OS X.
danieltillett 11y ago
Based on how buggy Yosemite is this should really be rephrased as a beta version of Windows runs better than a beta version of MacOS.
- pmelendez 11y ago
  Except that Yosemite was released almost a year ago and Win10 is about to be released this year. A buggy OS is different than a Beta OS.
  - danieltillett 11y ago
    Yes 10.10 was released at least a year too early - it really should not be out of beta. I get daily "pizza wheels of death" with 10.10.3 on my Mac Pro. On the same machine I have yet to have Windows 8.1 crash. The hardware is fantastic, the software far less so.
    - kule 11y ago
      btw did you do a fresh install? I'd always just upgraded and had no problems; until Yosemite. It's a bit more time consuming but Yosemite has worked great for me since I did a fresh install.
      - jdhawk 11y ago
        Interesting, I was in the same upgrade boat, but went back to 10.8 on my Mid-2011 MBAir. With only 4GB of ram, 10.10 was killing me, constantly spooling up the i7 & fan to screaming levels.
      - danieltillett 11y ago
        I did a semi-clean upgrade. I bought the Mac Pro late last year and it stil had 10.9 on it. I upgrade to 10.10 before copying across my user files and software from my laptop running 10.9. I have been trying to figure out what the cause is by looking at the crash logs without any success. I do find that daily reboots lessens the risk, other than this there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason. I have been using MacOS of various stripes since 1990 (I am a biologist by background and biologists were one of the few groups that stuck with macs through the late 90s). Other than 10.1 Yosemite is the buggiest OS 10 release to date in my experience.
interpol_p 11y ago
I'm finding Mission Control a bit slow too. The whole Exposé thing was a lot snappier when they still called it that. That said, in Task View on Windows do the iconified windows still play live content? E.g., under mission control, a video window will continue playing video live in its preview texture. Does this happen on Windows too?
- abhinavk 11y ago
  Yes, they do.

woof 11y ago

"runs better"? I'm baffled.

hrktb 11y ago

I have a hard time understanding the equivalence. Is task view supposed to be representative of all windows programs ? Is Mission Control supposed to be the fastest OSX program ? I don't use windows So I'll also have to ask, are these programs actually comparable in what they do ?

sz4kerto 11y ago
Yes, Task View and Mission Control are similar. I don't think that this speed comparison is very useful, but in my experience the graphics drivers under Windows are significantly better than on OSX or on Linux. (I run Ubuntu, OSX and Windows 10 on my retina MBP, and desktop graphics performance on Win10 is way better than the rest. By 'desktop graphics performance' I mean window management, scrolling of 2D content in browsers and other apps.) However, Win 10 runs quite inefficiently on Apple hardware in terms of battery life. On a side note, I find Win10 as the first Windows that is usable on HiDPI machines.
- seanmcdirmid 11y ago
  I'm using Windows 8 on both a rMBP (~220 PPI) and a 4K 28" monitor in the office (~150 PPI). It has worked fine for awhile, the only problem are some legacy apps (e.g. font forge, the font installer, and oddly enough, BootCamp!).
  - sz4kerto 11y ago
    Yes, but Win10 will also bring display-dependent scaling, i.e. you will able to manually set a different scaling level per display.
    - seanmcdirmid 11y ago
      Ya, that would be cool. I couldn't get a second display to work with my 4K...well, it sort of worked but was horribly distorted.
- userbinator 11y ago
  the graphics drivers under Windows are significantly better than on OSX or on Linux An influence from its gaming heritage? I know that GPU companies definitely spend a lot more effort on improving their Windows drivers than on other OSs, because of gamers.
  - izacus 11y ago
    That and the fact that Apple just doesn't seem to care much about 3D support... the 3D stack is about 3 years out of date now, GPU drivers as well (and nVidia etc. can't update them). Yosemite had NO updates to the GPU drivers or OpenGL support at all and currently it's still about 20-30% slower on the same hardware compared to Windows. If I'm a bit cynical, Apple is deliberately refusing updates just so they'll be able to tout huge 20% performance improvement of their proprietary Metal when they bring it to OS X.

danieltillett 11y ago

Based on how buggy Yosemite is this should really be rephrased as a beta version of Windows runs better than a beta version of MacOS.

pmelendez 11y ago
Except that Yosemite was released almost a year ago and Win10 is about to be released this year. A buggy OS is different than a Beta OS.
- danieltillett 11y ago
  Yes 10.10 was released at least a year too early - it really should not be out of beta. I get daily "pizza wheels of death" with 10.10.3 on my Mac Pro. On the same machine I have yet to have Windows 8.1 crash. The hardware is fantastic, the software far less so.
  - kule 11y ago
    btw did you do a fresh install? I'd always just upgraded and had no problems; until Yosemite. It's a bit more time consuming but Yosemite has worked great for me since I did a fresh install.
    - jdhawk 11y ago
      Interesting, I was in the same upgrade boat, but went back to 10.8 on my Mid-2011 MBAir. With only 4GB of ram, 10.10 was killing me, constantly spooling up the i7 & fan to screaming levels.
    - danieltillett 11y ago
      I did a semi-clean upgrade. I bought the Mac Pro late last year and it stil had 10.9 on it. I upgrade to 10.10 before copying across my user files and software from my laptop running 10.9. I have been trying to figure out what the cause is by looking at the crash logs without any success. I do find that daily reboots lessens the risk, other than this there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason. I have been using MacOS of various stripes since 1990 (I am a biologist by background and biologists were one of the few groups that stuck with macs through the late 90s). Other than 10.1 Yosemite is the buggiest OS 10 release to date in my experience.

interpol_p 11y ago

I'm finding Mission Control a bit slow too. The whole Exposé thing was a lot snappier when they still called it that. That said, in Task View on Windows do the iconified windows still play live content? E.g., under mission control, a video window will continue playing video live in its preview texture. Does this happen on Windows too?

abhinavk 11y ago
Yes, they do.