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psa: "Can Google Outsell Amazon and eBay?" is the title of the article (enter the article page via google search if hit with a silly paywall / register page) A

by yc1010 11y ago

psa: "Can Google Outsell Amazon and eBay?" is the title of the article (enter the article page via google search if hit with a silly paywall / register page) Anyways ... ... in my opinion, there is no way Google can outdo Amazon, it is not the "one click" button that makes me shop on Amazon but the great customer support who go out of their way to help you. Google on the other hand and "support" have never belonged in the same sentence :( Seems like "providing support" to customers is to "low brow" for Google, and I am an avid google product user both hardware and software.

Xixi 11y ago
I'm always wary of the "great customer support" gambit. I mean, of course everybody likes great customer support, but who actually makes everyday purchase decisions based on hearsays about customer support quality? I'm not talking about business threatening decisions (like relying on a free Google API, or tying your hosting to your registrar). But for most purchases at worst you will lose the money tied to it, which is probably not that big a deal. Few weeks ago I ordered stationaries from an obscure Japanese website I had never heard about before, for my Japanese tea subscription service [1]. Total cost was around ¥4500 (~$37). I didn't hesitate, worst case I would have lost ¥4500. Turned out everything went very smoothly and I will certainly buy from them again. But maybe they have dreadful customer support, how could I know? Next time I look for something online maybe Google will propose me a "Buy Now" button. And maybe I will give it a try, what could possibly go wrong? At worst I will lose a few bucks? [1] Tomotcha (https://tomotcha.com https://tomotcha.com)
- DanBC 11y ago
  You found that Japanese stationery company via the www? So in your searches you may have seen "buy from X, they're great", followed by a bunch of people either saying "steer clear they ripped me off they're scum" or "I frequently buy from them. I had a problem once but they sorted it out really quickly"[1] Also, in UK google might face some legal problems with distance selling regs unless they sort out the customer support stuff. [1] if you place fake reviews having a few like this is probably a good idea. It's much more preferable to me to see things like this than a bunch of five star great reviews.
  - Xixi 11y ago
    I've had PayPal freeze an account and ask for two metric tons of paperwork to unfreeze it 48 hours before launching a SaaS business. Postponed the launch by a week, not such a big deal compared to if had been the other way around. I learned my lesson to be very careful on who I rely on for my business. That said, I'm only careful in proportion to the risk: why spend much time reading random reviews for a small purchase? Especially (to go back to the subject of the thread) if it's to buy something from a big brand like Google: I'm certain to find both good and bad reviews, both fake and real. I'll just try and see by myself. Small risk for me. Huge risk for Amazon...
    - yc1010 11y ago
      I had paypal almost kill my business a few years back by freezing thousands of €'s for 6 months and telling me bye bye despite me providing all the relevant business and personal documents they required. I haven't bothered with paypal or ebay since. Hell with them. BTW thats another plus for Amazon, their giftcard program. Beside being able to buy them with cash in any shop one can get amazon.com giftcard on gyft.com for bitcoin and save 3% (or more if want to risk localbitcoins.com) and then go shopping on Amazon. And I prefer the way they group all sellers under the same item and delivery charges + taxes are clearly displayed up front. None of those cringe-worthy ebay pages with HUGE FONTS and misleading delivery information.
bababoosh 11y ago
A decade ago I had great Amazon support, missing books were resent and all problems solved fast. In Germany I had very crappy Amazon customer service experience the last 2yrs. Problems with payments, fraud, washing machine delivery without taking back the old one although I had paid for that, etc. Worst was a stolen mobile phone (during delivery), where Amazon support gave wrong instructions during several interactions and then failed to cancel the attached carrier contract for months (blaming it on their system) which blocked me to get a new contract b/c I was banned for 6 months by German carriers. In none of the cases Amazon did help in any positive way. Payments and fraud was only solved after I went to the police. At least here Amazon support changed directions from 'happy customer' to 'cheap as possible'.
- bababoosh 11y ago
  I wonder why my karma was bashed for this comment.
realusername 11y ago
Same for me, I buy on Amazon for the quality of the reviews, the fact that if there is a problem with the delivery or the product received, I just send an email an everything is solved. In order for this to work, Google will have to improve tremendously their customer service, if they are doing it like in the Play Store and Adwords, it's just not going to work.
- amelius 11y ago
  And/or Google could enter the review business.
mrweasel 11y ago
The support question is really interesting. If Google is the company that takes the money, they will be the company that people would expect to handle refunds, returns and general support. Unless Google is planning something new, there's no way that they are geared to deal with the barrage of consumer support issues that will appear. I don't see why the majority of online resellers would be concerned by being "reduced" to "back-end order takers". That's the easy part of the business, while payment and customer support is the expensive and annoying part. Most consumers are not loyal to any one online reseller anymore, Amazon excluded perhaps. If I was to pick where I would want to be in terms of online retail in the future, I would want to be the business with the warehouse and just supply eBay, Amazon, Google and any direct shipping customer I could find. That's where the money is in the future, at least that's what I believe.
- DougBTX 11y ago
  > I don't see why the majority of online resellers would be concerned by being "reduced" to "back-end order takers". They may have outsourced that to Amazon Fulfilment already.
- pcrh 11y ago
  So now Google is the Uber of Amazon...?
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on_and_off 11y ago
Google has no support service is becoming a silly meme. Some of their products indeed seem to be almost integrally managed by algorithms. On the other hand, just yesterday I reported a problem with my nexus tablet through the assistance app. Two minutes later, I was extremely surprised to get a call from a Google representative. After a couple of minutes of discussion, they are going to send me a replacement tablet right away. If they want to put the resources behind a support department for another of their products, they are perfectly able to procure a good service.
- rquirk 11y ago
  FWIW I had the same good support experience regarding Nexus tablet failures. The cynical side of me thinks that this is one reason they are rumored to be canning the Nexus tablet line. Support costs are too high.
eliben 11y ago
FWIW, Google's support for the Google Express shopping and delivery service is top-notch, at least Amazon quality. You usually get same day responses to any inquiries and Google is quick on the refund trigger - giving you refunds and coupons even before figuring out what the root cause of the problem was.

by yc1010 11y ago

Xixi 11y ago

I'm always wary of the "great customer support" gambit. I mean, of course everybody likes great customer support, but who actually makes everyday purchase decisions based on hearsays about customer support quality? I'm not talking about business threatening decisions (like relying on a free Google API, or tying your hosting to your registrar). But for most purchases at worst you will lose the money tied to it, which is probably not that big a deal. Few weeks ago I ordered stationaries from an obscure Japanese website I had never heard about before, for my Japanese tea subscription service [1]. Total cost was around ¥4500 (~$37). I didn't hesitate, worst case I would have lost ¥4500. Turned out everything went very smoothly and I will certainly buy from them again. But maybe they have dreadful customer support, how could I know? Next time I look for something online maybe Google will propose me a "Buy Now" button. And maybe I will give it a try, what could possibly go wrong? At worst I will lose a few bucks? [1] Tomotcha (https://tomotcha.com https://tomotcha.com)

DanBC 11y ago
You found that Japanese stationery company via the www? So in your searches you may have seen "buy from X, they're great", followed by a bunch of people either saying "steer clear they ripped me off they're scum" or "I frequently buy from them. I had a problem once but they sorted it out really quickly"[1] Also, in UK google might face some legal problems with distance selling regs unless they sort out the customer support stuff. [1] if you place fake reviews having a few like this is probably a good idea. It's much more preferable to me to see things like this than a bunch of five star great reviews.
- Xixi 11y ago
  I've had PayPal freeze an account and ask for two metric tons of paperwork to unfreeze it 48 hours before launching a SaaS business. Postponed the launch by a week, not such a big deal compared to if had been the other way around. I learned my lesson to be very careful on who I rely on for my business. That said, I'm only careful in proportion to the risk: why spend much time reading random reviews for a small purchase? Especially (to go back to the subject of the thread) if it's to buy something from a big brand like Google: I'm certain to find both good and bad reviews, both fake and real. I'll just try and see by myself. Small risk for me. Huge risk for Amazon...
  - yc1010 11y ago
    I had paypal almost kill my business a few years back by freezing thousands of €'s for 6 months and telling me bye bye despite me providing all the relevant business and personal documents they required. I haven't bothered with paypal or ebay since. Hell with them. BTW thats another plus for Amazon, their giftcard program. Beside being able to buy them with cash in any shop one can get amazon.com giftcard on gyft.com for bitcoin and save 3% (or more if want to risk localbitcoins.com) and then go shopping on Amazon. And I prefer the way they group all sellers under the same item and delivery charges + taxes are clearly displayed up front. None of those cringe-worthy ebay pages with HUGE FONTS and misleading delivery information.

bababoosh 11y ago

A decade ago I had great Amazon support, missing books were resent and all problems solved fast. In Germany I had very crappy Amazon customer service experience the last 2yrs. Problems with payments, fraud, washing machine delivery without taking back the old one although I had paid for that, etc. Worst was a stolen mobile phone (during delivery), where Amazon support gave wrong instructions during several interactions and then failed to cancel the attached carrier contract for months (blaming it on their system) which blocked me to get a new contract b/c I was banned for 6 months by German carriers. In none of the cases Amazon did help in any positive way. Payments and fraud was only solved after I went to the police. At least here Amazon support changed directions from 'happy customer' to 'cheap as possible'.

bababoosh 11y ago
I wonder why my karma was bashed for this comment.

realusername 11y ago

Same for me, I buy on Amazon for the quality of the reviews, the fact that if there is a problem with the delivery or the product received, I just send an email an everything is solved. In order for this to work, Google will have to improve tremendously their customer service, if they are doing it like in the Play Store and Adwords, it's just not going to work.

amelius 11y ago
And/or Google could enter the review business.

mrweasel 11y ago

The support question is really interesting. If Google is the company that takes the money, they will be the company that people would expect to handle refunds, returns and general support. Unless Google is planning something new, there's no way that they are geared to deal with the barrage of consumer support issues that will appear. I don't see why the majority of online resellers would be concerned by being "reduced" to "back-end order takers". That's the easy part of the business, while payment and customer support is the expensive and annoying part. Most consumers are not loyal to any one online reseller anymore, Amazon excluded perhaps. If I was to pick where I would want to be in terms of online retail in the future, I would want to be the business with the warehouse and just supply eBay, Amazon, Google and any direct shipping customer I could find. That's where the money is in the future, at least that's what I believe.

DougBTX 11y ago
> I don't see why the majority of online resellers would be concerned by being "reduced" to "back-end order takers". They may have outsourced that to Amazon Fulfilment already.
pcrh 11y ago
So now Google is the Uber of Amazon...?
- deleted 11y ago
  [deleted]

on_and_off 11y ago

Google has no support service is becoming a silly meme. Some of their products indeed seem to be almost integrally managed by algorithms. On the other hand, just yesterday I reported a problem with my nexus tablet through the assistance app. Two minutes later, I was extremely surprised to get a call from a Google representative. After a couple of minutes of discussion, they are going to send me a replacement tablet right away. If they want to put the resources behind a support department for another of their products, they are perfectly able to procure a good service.

rquirk 11y ago
FWIW I had the same good support experience regarding Nexus tablet failures. The cynical side of me thinks that this is one reason they are rumored to be canning the Nexus tablet line. Support costs are too high.

eliben 11y ago

FWIW, Google's support for the Google Express shopping and delivery service is top-notch, at least Amazon quality. You usually get same day responses to any inquiries and Google is quick on the refund trigger - giving you refunds and coupons even before figuring out what the root cause of the problem was.