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> the implementations are available. the clients are categorically awful :) re forking:pidgin and libpurple are huge. focussing on webclients first and pidgin

> the implementations are available. the clients are categorically awful :) re forking:pidgin and libpurple are huge. focussing on webclients first and pidgin gajim etc afterwards is a better bet.

e12e 11y ago
I don't really need a web client. At any rate, I have chatsecure for Android -- a good command-line client with a way to access logs would be nice -- but a GUI app would also work.
- throwawayaway 11y ago
  given federation is going the way off the dodo, if you do decide to set up a server, you are going to need people on that server to talk to. or else it's an echo chamber. so while it may be that you have a client that you use for android, if you want to talk to other people, you are going to need a client that supports the features they want. what i am telling you is, is that the clients are a crapshoot that all support their own subsections of features. finding clients that people will use, for every platform is a massive timesink. my advice therefore, is to pick a nice webclient.
  - e12e 11y ago
    > given federation is going the way off the dodo I'm not sure what you mean. Sure facebook and to a lesser extent google are wilfully screwing their users for no good reason (well no good reason for the users). But mailbox.org, fastmail and duckduckgo all federate just fine with each other. It's not like I'm expecting whatsapp to suddenly enable xmpp and server federation over ssl (does anyone know why google doesn't just turn on ssl for server federation? I could understand killing xmpp, but why keep federation, but refuse to use ssl, on this one service?). Suprisingly, I can't seem to find anyone that both provides on-line registration, federation and a web client... In my case, I assume the more pragmatic route would be to set up a gateway to gtalk and fb, leaving me to use whatever client(s) I enjoy. I suppose I might host a public web client as well... but I don't see who would use that, rather than just send me an email, sms or call.
    - throwawayaway 11y ago
      well it was my assumption that the only people you wanted to talk to were on google/facebook. if you have people on other networks that support federation to talk to - fair enough. if you don't have people on those networks, you'll have to convince people to move. or harder again, you'll have to get them on to your server. bluescat(probable google employee) says webRTC is the way things are going, so no further development on xmpp. so i think that's the explanation for no s2s tls. https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/hangouts/T2t1hOinxrU https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/hangouts/T2t1...

> the implementations are available. the clients are categorically awful :) re forking:pidgin and libpurple are huge. focussing on webclients first and pidgin gajim etc afterwards is a better bet.

e12e 11y ago

I don't really need a web client. At any rate, I have chatsecure for Android -- a good command-line client with a way to access logs would be nice -- but a GUI app would also work.

throwawayaway 11y ago
given federation is going the way off the dodo, if you do decide to set up a server, you are going to need people on that server to talk to. or else it's an echo chamber. so while it may be that you have a client that you use for android, if you want to talk to other people, you are going to need a client that supports the features they want. what i am telling you is, is that the clients are a crapshoot that all support their own subsections of features. finding clients that people will use, for every platform is a massive timesink. my advice therefore, is to pick a nice webclient.
- e12e 11y ago
  > given federation is going the way off the dodo I'm not sure what you mean. Sure facebook and to a lesser extent google are wilfully screwing their users for no good reason (well no good reason for the users). But mailbox.org, fastmail and duckduckgo all federate just fine with each other. It's not like I'm expecting whatsapp to suddenly enable xmpp and server federation over ssl (does anyone know why google doesn't just turn on ssl for server federation? I could understand killing xmpp, but why keep federation, but refuse to use ssl, on this one service?). Suprisingly, I can't seem to find anyone that both provides on-line registration, federation and a web client... In my case, I assume the more pragmatic route would be to set up a gateway to gtalk and fb, leaving me to use whatever client(s) I enjoy. I suppose I might host a public web client as well... but I don't see who would use that, rather than just send me an email, sms or call.
  - throwawayaway 11y ago
    well it was my assumption that the only people you wanted to talk to were on google/facebook. if you have people on other networks that support federation to talk to - fair enough. if you don't have people on those networks, you'll have to convince people to move. or harder again, you'll have to get them on to your server. bluescat(probable google employee) says webRTC is the way things are going, so no further development on xmpp. so i think that's the explanation for no s2s tls. https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/hangouts/T2t1hOinxrU https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/hangouts/T2t1...