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Because it negates the whole point you put them in prison. At some point we'll get the human right to "not be in a cell". And then where will we be?

foldr 17y ago
>Because it negates the whole point you put them in prison. So you think that being in prison would be perfectly pleasant just as long as you had a broadband connection? Some life you must lead.
- bumblebird 17y ago
  It's a really slippery slope. And to be honest, yeah - having a net connection is a pretty big luxury I don't think criminals serving at her Majesties' pleasure should actually be entitled to. Obviously if they're to be rehabilitated, then it would make sense to allow them that, but whilst they're serving time, isn't the whole point to take away the home comforts? There was also some call (Probably from EU) to give criminals in jail the right to a vote. Which I also strongly disagree with. They're in there to separate them from society. And that includes 'online' society IMHO - hence they should not have net connections.
  - foldr 17y ago
    >They're in there to separate them from society. And that includes 'online' society IMHO - hence they should not have net connections. And presumably they shouldn't be allowed to send letters or have visitors either right? There's a "slippery slope" in both directions.
    - bumblebird 17y ago
      It's only feasible to send letters to individuals. Not society. Same with visitors. The two don't really compare.
      - foldr 17y ago
        What?
  - noste 17y ago
    >There was also some call (Probably from EU) to give criminals in jail the right to a vote. Which I also strongly disagree with. Going by the stats at http://felonvoting.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=289 http://felonvoting.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=28... felony disenfranchisement is not that popular in western democracies.
    - bumblebird 17y ago
      I guess thats relevant if you believe things like this should be decided by the majority.
      - pbhjpbhj 17y ago
        What sort of non-democratic regime were you thinking of that would give criminals a vote but would not follow the populous' voting decisions?
        bumblebird 17y ago
        My point was that democracy is a horrible system, it doesn't work well, and you end up with idiotic laws decided just based on what the mob majority want. However, it's pretty much the best we've got so far, but that's not saying much. Democracy is fine if the majority are sane, have good morals, etc etc. But the majority of people in the US believe in god :/ The majority watch "American idol" and think the height of cuisine is macdonalds. Doesn't bode well. Just my 2c anyway...
        pbhjpbhj 17y ago
        Don't criminals tend to fit the same profile though? Benevolent dictatorship ftw.
- pbhjpbhj 17y ago
  So you think that being in prison would be perfectly pleasant just as long as you had a broadband connection? Some life you must lead. As an office worker I went between an office of about 4 metres square (16m^2)shared by 2 staff and my house, which when I started was about double that size (including all rooms) and shared with my wife. I was let out my office for lunch but no recreation time. Now I had significant freedom to go out and about, visit friends and what have you, but, yeah life can be hard. Broadband should be a right as more government services are becoming accessible only online - my Mum volunteers in many capacities in a rural community where access to services for the elderly is becoming hard because internet (web) access is assumed. If my web access is removed it makes it harder for me to be a citizen (subject really but hey); harder for me to be a consumer, harder for me to be an active part of the workforce.

foldr 17y ago

>Because it negates the whole point you put them in prison. So you think that being in prison would be perfectly pleasant just as long as you had a broadband connection? Some life you must lead.

bumblebird 17y ago
It's a really slippery slope. And to be honest, yeah - having a net connection is a pretty big luxury I don't think criminals serving at her Majesties' pleasure should actually be entitled to. Obviously if they're to be rehabilitated, then it would make sense to allow them that, but whilst they're serving time, isn't the whole point to take away the home comforts? There was also some call (Probably from EU) to give criminals in jail the right to a vote. Which I also strongly disagree with. They're in there to separate them from society. And that includes 'online' society IMHO - hence they should not have net connections.
- foldr 17y ago
  >They're in there to separate them from society. And that includes 'online' society IMHO - hence they should not have net connections. And presumably they shouldn't be allowed to send letters or have visitors either right? There's a "slippery slope" in both directions.
  - bumblebird 17y ago
    It's only feasible to send letters to individuals. Not society. Same with visitors. The two don't really compare.
    - foldr 17y ago
      What?
- noste 17y ago
  >There was also some call (Probably from EU) to give criminals in jail the right to a vote. Which I also strongly disagree with. Going by the stats at http://felonvoting.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=289 http://felonvoting.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=28... felony disenfranchisement is not that popular in western democracies.
  - bumblebird 17y ago
    I guess thats relevant if you believe things like this should be decided by the majority.
    - pbhjpbhj 17y ago
      What sort of non-democratic regime were you thinking of that would give criminals a vote but would not follow the populous' voting decisions?
      - bumblebird 17y ago
        My point was that democracy is a horrible system, it doesn't work well, and you end up with idiotic laws decided just based on what the mob majority want. However, it's pretty much the best we've got so far, but that's not saying much. Democracy is fine if the majority are sane, have good morals, etc etc. But the majority of people in the US believe in god :/ The majority watch "American idol" and think the height of cuisine is macdonalds. Doesn't bode well. Just my 2c anyway...
        pbhjpbhj 17y ago
        Don't criminals tend to fit the same profile though? Benevolent dictatorship ftw.
pbhjpbhj 17y ago
So you think that being in prison would be perfectly pleasant just as long as you had a broadband connection? Some life you must lead. As an office worker I went between an office of about 4 metres square (16m^2)shared by 2 staff and my house, which when I started was about double that size (including all rooms) and shared with my wife. I was let out my office for lunch but no recreation time. Now I had significant freedom to go out and about, visit friends and what have you, but, yeah life can be hard. Broadband should be a right as more government services are becoming accessible only online - my Mum volunteers in many capacities in a rural community where access to services for the elderly is becoming hard because internet (web) access is assumed. If my web access is removed it makes it harder for me to be a citizen (subject really but hey); harder for me to be a consumer, harder for me to be an active part of the workforce.