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I honestly never thought I'd say this, but this bill makes our DMCA look awesome. Politics in Europe are so unproductive and ridiculous, I really hope that it d

by cmelbye 17y ago

I honestly never thought I'd say this, but this bill makes our DMCA look awesome. Politics in Europe are so unproductive and ridiculous, I really hope that it doesn't spread to the United States and other countries that still have some personal freedoms.

dirkstoop 17y ago
Judging all of European politics by what's happening in the UK right now is like judging American cuisine by one meal served at McDonalds (which admittedly, a lot of Europeans tend to do). Nice counter-example: Finland just made broadband internet access into a legal right: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/15/finland.internet.rights/ http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/15/finland.internet.righ...
- bumblebird 17y ago
  I think making net access a human right is ridiculous. What next? Criminals asserting their human legal rights to have 1MB net connection installed in their cells.
  - foldr 17y ago
    It's not much different these days than giving them the right to send and receive mail, I don't see why you think it's so silly.
    - bumblebird 17y ago
      Because it negates the whole point you put them in prison. At some point we'll get the human right to "not be in a cell". And then where will we be?
      - foldr 17y ago
        >Because it negates the whole point you put them in prison. So you think that being in prison would be perfectly pleasant just as long as you had a broadband connection? Some life you must lead.
        bumblebird 17y ago
        It's a really slippery slope. And to be honest, yeah - having a net connection is a pretty big luxury I don't think criminals serving at her Majesties' pleasure should actually be entitled to. Obviously if they're to be rehabilitated, then it would make sense to allow them that, but whilst they're serving time, isn't the whole point to take away the home comforts? There was also some call (Probably from EU) to give criminals in jail the right to a vote. Which I also strongly disagree with. They're in there to separate them from society. And that includes 'online' society IMHO - hence they should not have net connections.
        foldr 17y ago
        >They're in there to separate them from society. And that includes 'online' society IMHO - hence they should not have net connections. And presumably they shouldn't be allowed to send letters or have visitors either right? There's a "slippery slope" in both directions.
        bumblebird 17y ago
        It's only feasible to send letters to individuals. Not society. Same with visitors. The two don't really compare.
        foldr 17y ago
        What?
        noste 17y ago
        >There was also some call (Probably from EU) to give criminals in jail the right to a vote. Which I also strongly disagree with. Going by the stats at http://felonvoting.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=289 http://felonvoting.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=28... felony disenfranchisement is not that popular in western democracies.
        bumblebird 17y ago
  - rms 17y ago
    That sounds like a good idea. Though 768k is probably fine.
foldr 17y ago
>Politics in Europe are so unproductive and ridiculous, I really hope that it doesn't spread to the United States and other countries that still have some personal freedoms. Wow, congratulations on the stupidest sweeping generalization I've seen all week. I mean, it's not like politics in the US is ever unproductive or ridiculous, right?

by cmelbye 17y ago

dirkstoop 17y ago

Judging all of European politics by what's happening in the UK right now is like judging American cuisine by one meal served at McDonalds (which admittedly, a lot of Europeans tend to do). Nice counter-example: Finland just made broadband internet access into a legal right: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/15/finland.internet.rights/ http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/15/finland.internet.righ...

bumblebird 17y ago
I think making net access a human right is ridiculous. What next? Criminals asserting their human legal rights to have 1MB net connection installed in their cells.
- foldr 17y ago
  It's not much different these days than giving them the right to send and receive mail, I don't see why you think it's so silly.
  - bumblebird 17y ago
    Because it negates the whole point you put them in prison. At some point we'll get the human right to "not be in a cell". And then where will we be?
    - foldr 17y ago
      >Because it negates the whole point you put them in prison. So you think that being in prison would be perfectly pleasant just as long as you had a broadband connection? Some life you must lead.
      - bumblebird 17y ago
        It's a really slippery slope. And to be honest, yeah - having a net connection is a pretty big luxury I don't think criminals serving at her Majesties' pleasure should actually be entitled to. Obviously if they're to be rehabilitated, then it would make sense to allow them that, but whilst they're serving time, isn't the whole point to take away the home comforts? There was also some call (Probably from EU) to give criminals in jail the right to a vote. Which I also strongly disagree with. They're in there to separate them from society. And that includes 'online' society IMHO - hence they should not have net connections.
        foldr 17y ago
        >They're in there to separate them from society. And that includes 'online' society IMHO - hence they should not have net connections. And presumably they shouldn't be allowed to send letters or have visitors either right? There's a "slippery slope" in both directions.
        bumblebird 17y ago
        It's only feasible to send letters to individuals. Not society. Same with visitors. The two don't really compare.
        foldr 17y ago
        What?
        noste 17y ago
        >There was also some call (Probably from EU) to give criminals in jail the right to a vote. Which I also strongly disagree with. Going by the stats at http://felonvoting.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=289 http://felonvoting.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=28... felony disenfranchisement is not that popular in western democracies.
        bumblebird 17y ago
- rms 17y ago
  That sounds like a good idea. Though 768k is probably fine.

foldr 17y ago

>Politics in Europe are so unproductive and ridiculous, I really hope that it doesn't spread to the United States and other countries that still have some personal freedoms. Wow, congratulations on the stupidest sweeping generalization I've seen all week. I mean, it's not like politics in the US is ever unproductive or ridiculous, right?