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For us techies, sure, but I wonder how many average joes have written off IE? For them the 'e' logo is and always have been the door to the internet. Now since

by nivla 11y ago

For us techies, sure, but I wonder how many average joes have written off IE? For them the 'e' logo is and always have been the door to the internet. Now since Microsoft is planning on bundling both the new and the old browser in Win10, I am curious to see how many of these people will still stick with the old one over the new.

Turing_Machine 11y ago
"I wonder how many average joes have written off IE?" Lots of them. Many surveys show it down in the Safari region, for instance: http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-browser-ww-monthly-201504-201504-bar http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-browser-ww-monthly-201504-201...
- adventured 11y ago
  More likely closer to 25% to 30% Every other major source than that one reports IE well above 12% http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-most-u-s-popular-web-browsers/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-most-u-s-popular-web-browse... https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2&qpcustomd=0 https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qpr...
  - Turing_Machine 11y ago
    The first one is limited to .gov websites, and lots of government agencies still use IE for internal use. The second one excludes mobile, for no good reason that I can see. Mobile is huge.
    - mynameisvlad 11y ago
      Because the browser landscape is completely different in mobile? There isn't really any reason not to separate them. They're completely different markets.
      - Turing_Machine 11y ago
        No, they aren't different "markets" They're not even different code. Safari on iOS comes from the same code base as Safari on desktop, and I'm pretty sure the same is true for Chrome on Android (Chrome on iOS, like other iOS browsers, is just a wrapper around the Safari engine). The old Android browser was different code, but that's been on its deathbed for a while now. Mobile users use the same sites as desktop users, to a very large degree. They use the same browser code (again, to a very large degree). The only reason to separate them that I can see is to artificially inflate the number of IE users.
  - yohui 11y ago
    No, NetMarketShare/NetApplications is the exception: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers Of course, they're also the only source that tries to count "unique visitors" rather than traffic, and uses country-level weighting to attempt to correct for sampling bias. But personally, I still find StatCounter more useful.

by nivla 11y ago

Turing_Machine 11y ago

"I wonder how many average joes have written off IE?" Lots of them. Many surveys show it down in the Safari region, for instance: http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-browser-ww-monthly-201504-201504-bar http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-browser-ww-monthly-201504-201...

adventured 11y ago
More likely closer to 25% to 30% Every other major source than that one reports IE well above 12% http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-most-u-s-popular-web-browsers/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-most-u-s-popular-web-browse... https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2&qpcustomd=0 https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qpr...
- Turing_Machine 11y ago
  The first one is limited to .gov websites, and lots of government agencies still use IE for internal use. The second one excludes mobile, for no good reason that I can see. Mobile is huge.
  - mynameisvlad 11y ago
    Because the browser landscape is completely different in mobile? There isn't really any reason not to separate them. They're completely different markets.
    - Turing_Machine 11y ago
      No, they aren't different "markets" They're not even different code. Safari on iOS comes from the same code base as Safari on desktop, and I'm pretty sure the same is true for Chrome on Android (Chrome on iOS, like other iOS browsers, is just a wrapper around the Safari engine). The old Android browser was different code, but that's been on its deathbed for a while now. Mobile users use the same sites as desktop users, to a very large degree. They use the same browser code (again, to a very large degree). The only reason to separate them that I can see is to artificially inflate the number of IE users.
- yohui 11y ago
  No, NetMarketShare/NetApplications is the exception: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers Of course, they're also the only source that tries to count "unique visitors" rather than traffic, and uses country-level weighting to attempt to correct for sampling bias. But personally, I still find StatCounter more useful.