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Russian WW2 parade: A tank-spotter's guide
- guiomie 11y agoWhat's with the tarp on the Koalitsiya-SV ?
- pavel_lishin 11y agoHiding the shoggoth controlling the vehicle. http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/colderwar.htm http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/colderwar.htm
- trhway 11y agoRussia is ready to win the next WWII. It is just so happens that WWII is already in the past, and the next wars will be won by drones and other high-tech weapon systems which Russia isn't capable to produce. The drones they flt in Ukraine war are foreign (bought from Israel).
- gpvos 11y agoYeah, but nevertheless Russia is strong enough to win a war with Ukraine as long as the West doesn't join in. And it knows that the West doesn't want to risk a world war over Ukraine.
- vbezhenar 11y agoWhy do you think Russia isn't capable to produce drones?
- murica_sux 11y agoDrones are good if you want to take out a bunch of innocent and defenseless farmers in a middle of a desert. If you try your "high-tech" drones in Russia, you'll be glowing in the dark faster than you can say, "we're exceptional!"
- gvido 11y agoaccount created 28 minutes ago Registered just to convey this very important piece of information? Did Putinbots just find HN?
- BasDirks 11y agoDo you disagree?
- adventured 11y agoI disagree with the behavior of registering an account named America Sucks ("murica_sux"), just to fire off a couple of shallow comments on HN.
- avn2109 11y agoI don't deny that Putin (like most state actors) has an army of commenters trying to shape discourse online, but I would be impressed if they were idiomatic and sophisticated enough to come up with a username like "murica_sux." Wouldn't you expect them to be more heavy handed? When the Chinese were caught doing this, they were laughably unsophisticated.
- gvido 11y agoI personally know someone who went to a job interview to one of those propaganda comment factories in Russia (before she realized what it was and got the hell out). They (try to) recruit educated people.
- ajays 11y agoThis was on HN recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9269760 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9269760
- tobiasu 11y agoGiven the parent engaged in nothing but good old USA! USA! USA! chest thumping, the response seems fitting. Both are out of place on HN, /r/worldnews is over there ->
- NietTim 11y agoSeeing as how we have seen none of these high tech new tanks in Ukraine, I doubt they would use their new high tech drones in Ukraine. (If they have them, of course)
- trhway 11y agothere is no new high-tech tanks. T-14 Armata is just a prototype hastily cobbled together out of components of the 2 previous "new high-tech tank" programs. The first Armata will get to Russian Army only at 2018 at best and at the price of $8M (today's price, it will be higher after they complete the development few years down the road) there willn't be any meaningful numbers of it.
- kushti 11y agoAny evidences of Russian(not Soviet) weapon usage in Ukraine's civil war? please post links if so
- kushti 11y agoI've got only downvoting as result. Pretty symptomatic.
- dang 11y agoFrom the HN guidelines: "Resist commenting about being downvoted. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Downvotes of substantive comments often get corrected by other users before the paint dries. But complaints about downvotes remain forever off-topic.
- tomjen3 11y agoThe first time the west uses drones against an enemy with an actual air force those drones are history. Not only is the lag so severe there would never have a chance in air combat (they require special teams closer to the action to let them take of in the first place because the lag from their US based flyers is too high) but the drones are very slow. Oh and they have no real air-to-air defence.
- jnardiello 11y agoSure, drones and high-tech weapon systems. I can clearly see how hyper-tech weapons will function at -40C, with N meters of snow and covering distances where you need Nk-km to reach the closest village. I don't really mean to sound caustic but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There are two big mistakes which are commonly made these days: 1) technology is overrated (vs nature) 2) as humans we think we are in control and only first hand experience would teach us otherwise. Pull out a phone at -40, it won't even switch on. Circuitry won't work, batteries won't last. Russia is a harsh country, with harsh people which has first hand experience of a territory where western technology wouldn't simply stand a chance.
- Raphmedia 11y agoWe already use drone in the Arctic. Your argument of cold against drone is pointless. Yes, harsh snowstorms will ground them, but that's the same for pretty much anything that fly.
- ajays 11y ago> Pull out a phone at -40, it won't even switch on. Same can be said about a human being. Edit: I'm being downvoted, so let me explain. Drones _can_ be made to function in temperatures way below -40; but humans are at their limit there. My point is: those who are discounting drones overestimate the capability of humans to operate in that temperature.
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- adventured 11y agoYou don't defeat Russia by invading it and fighting in -40 degree weather. You defeat Russia before the war begins, by keeping them impoverished as they are today. So long as they retain their current system, they will remain that way perpetually. Putin was bailed out by the dollar induced boom in the price of commodities from 2002-2014, specifically oil; that party is over. He has no second trick up his sleeve, which is why he is now turning to invading his neighbors. Today Russia's economy is 1/9th the size of the US economy. In just 15 years, the Russian economy will fall to 1/12th the size of the US economy. When you are so far behind economically, and showing absolutely zero potential for progress, the long-term military threat you can pose (outside of nukes), becomes proportionally restrained. Russia is now a regional power, barely able to maintain its own mass, much less project power against something like NATO. Russia's ability to project force outside of its borders, is dramatically lower than it was during Soviet times, and it's going to remain that way. There's no need to fight inside of Russia, when they can't fight outside of Russia.
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- coldcode 11y agoI was hoping it was a parade of WW2 era tanks. Still the new tank is pretty interesting design.
- sologoub 11y agoThey did have T-34 and either SU-100 or SU-85 (can't tell the difference between them). Only video I found has an RT reporter right in the middle obstracting some view: https://youtu.be/fo-P98cVtq8 https://youtu.be/fo-P98cVtq8 Tanks are first 50 seconds, then it moves on to modern stuff.
- exar0815 11y agoI think they are SU-100, but I would have loved to see some more of the WW2-Veterans. But as most of them molder and rust away in a sorry state in some open air museums...
- Rayearth 11y agoIt's interesting how Russia's tank model numbering scheme seems to have looped around, as if the number were tied to the current year. It would be a little ironic if Russia's next MBT is designated "T-34". We're coming up to almost a hundred years of tanks, aren't we?
- afarrell 11y agoYep, they were invented during WW1, which started almost 101 years ago.
- exar0815 11y agoApparently, one of the Armatas broke down during the Parade, and one of the Buk missile launchers caught fire. Admittedly, the Tank looks usable, but the question of the value of a completely new MBT is a really urgent one. Especially as the worth of armor diminishes more and more, as it already did once in the 60s. Modern ATGM are capable of smashing every modern MBT at the first hit, and the only protection are active protection systems as fitted to modern Israeli Merkavas. As long as the russians don't equip this Tank with one of those, its as big a casket as an old T-54.
- mtarnovan 11y ago"In addition to reactive armour the T-14 features an active protection system Afghanit (Russian: Афганит). This system includes a millimeter-band radar to detect, track and intercept incoming anti-tank munitions, both hypersonic kinetic energy penetrators and tandem-charges." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata
- exar0815 11y agoThank you, I must admit modern Tanks are not really my field of expertise. If this tank works in the way it should, it should be superior to most current western Tanks, especially while most western countries phase out more and more of their tanks.
- fapjacks 11y agoThe thing about Russian equipment is that the gee-whiz features almost never work as intended. The real strength of Soviet- and Russian-made military equipment is the reliability of its basic features. The problem with modern Russian manufacturing is that there is a lot of corruption at the top, and this leads to poor manufacturing implementations winning government contracts that otherwise would never have made the cut with proper QA. This is why the Russian military is always towing equipment back to base. The Russian navy in particular is renowned for towing a significant part of its fleet back to port after dry-fire exercises.
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- fapjacks 11y agoFrom an article online: "And Russia's RT news says the Armata could 'evolve into a fully robotic battle vehicle'."
- trhway 11y agoA good sergeant in Russian army boot-camp can make a robot out of any freshly drafted organic.
- snake_plissken 11y agoFor those interested, Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising presents a pretty accurate account of a major modern day tank battle/ground war between two advanced armies. It's also a great Cold War era novel. Basically, short-range (1-4 km) anti-tank guided missiles wreak havoc on tanks and neutralize any advancing armor columns. Attack helicopters also are important but their effectiveness ends up being severely limited by Man-portable air-defense systems (think Stinger Missiles). Air superiority, for both sides at first, is limited by over the horizon radar and mobile SAM units, and so it ends up being too risky to use air assets to attack ground forces. As for how it would turn out today, I think about the same. Point defense systems to intercept ATGMs are still relatively new and have only been tested in the field by Israel against Hamas during their 2014 war. They were supposedly very successful with intercepting RPGs and Metis-Ms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K115-2_Metis-M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K115-2_Metis-M). I'm unconvinced drones like the Predator or Reaper would be effective in an extended conflict. The real power of drones lies in their ability to loiter in area for an incredibly long amount of time and wait for a target to present itself. In a modern battlefield where the sky is constantly being illuminated by radar, a loitering craft in the area of battle is not going to be there for long.