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> In recent years were born hundreds of services that have tried to make email less painful. Most if not all of those services were proprietary and tied to the
by coned88 11y ago
> In recent years were born hundreds of services that have tried to make email less painful.
Most if not all of those services were proprietary and tied to the success of one company. Only the Darkmail alliance to the best of my knowledge is actually putting out a new open protocol not tied to their bottom line. Not sure if they have actually put out an RFC yet.
It's like people saying Slack will one day will replace IRC or XMPP. It will never happen. It may if slack started as it's own protocol with a simple RFC and the company was an implementation of said open protocol. Offering a paid option with the option to also do it by yourself for free.
The future of email will start with a new open standard and RFC everybody has access to. It will offer benefits not facilitated by current technologies and will be easily adopted when such happens. Until this happens though there is no reason to replace email. Companies are not going dive into one company and create some massive monopoly who will then hold them hostage.
- chimeracoder 11y ago> It's like people saying Slack will one day will replace IRC or XMPP. It will never happen. XMPP has already been "replaced" by Google Hangouts, Facebook Chat, and WhatsApp, which are all proprietary extensions of XMPP. Very few of my friends use a chat service which allows XMPP federation. Facebook chat doesn't even allow you to use a third-party XMPP client anymore. "Embrace, extend, extinguish" is still very much alive.
- e12e 11y agoI use fb chat with chat secure on android. Xmpp seems to work fine?
- hornetblack 11y agoI found that group chat on Facebook doesn't work through XMPP.
- e12e 11y agoTrue enough.
- fragmede 11y agoHow? According to https://developers.facebook.com/docs/chat https://developers.facebook.com/docs/chat XMPP access was disabled at the end of April.
- coned88 11y agoI really don't see how it was replaced. Now we just have three or more smaller products that some people use. many people still use XMPP and magnitudes more use XMPP and don't even know it.
- WillHuxtable 11y agoI've been using Facebook chat via bitlbee (which uses Jabber/XMPP) for several months. It was supposed to stop working on April 30th, but for some reason it does still work.
- detaro 11y agoXMPP (sadly) seems pretty much dead. Even among CS students adoption rate is <10 %, client situation is quite messy, ... I still don't know an alternative that could replace it entirely in theory, but in practice it IS replaced by other things. Slack gets a lot of things right (including things like the IRC bridge), although I'd very much prefer something like it on a federated platform. Most messengers nowadays seem to be obsessed with mobile, single-device use, which just doesn't work for me. E-mail isn't a messenger though, and as such is only indirectly replaced by those. It also works surprisingly well, despite spam (filtering) and other hurdles. Combining these would be a big thing to figure out: The messenger-like, "attention now" and the more traditional e-mail/letter like "long form, read when you get to it".