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There are entire businesses that have full 150 members team that do "big data" work that is essentially just scraping a tonne of data off of many places on the

There are entire businesses that have full 150 members team that do "big data" work that is essentially just scraping a tonne of data off of many places on the web. If the company's data is an aggregate from many different sources and how can the original sources' claim be established?

theaccordance 11y ago
A lawyer would probably be a better person to answer this question, but if I had to venture a guess: 1. Identifying products that the source company is the sole distribute of 2. Logs that are able to identify the crawler and what it accessed.
fragmede 11y ago
Plagarism/copyright infringement can be proven through the use of 'trap streets' - wait for the site to scrape the fake data off your site, which could only have come from you, since you made it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street
- pbhjpbhj 11y ago
  >Plagarism/copyright infringement can be proven through the use of 'trap streets' // Copyright doesn't protect data it protects presentation. On a map the part of the map with the trap street has usually been traced, the presentation is copied. If you use the same map to compile a street listing then you've not copied you've used the information embedded in that presentation. If I create a webpage with all the event information held on a particular pin-board then that is not copying, if I add a thumbnail or other image of each poster that is normally copying. The information is free (Database Rights like EC Directive 96/9/EC not withstanding). Plagiarism is not generally illegal except as it imposes on personal contracts/agreements and on other IPR (eg copyright). For example I can recite an out-of-copyright work verbatim -- that is a work in the public domain -- on my website with no attribution (or even a fake one) and there is generally no tort or crime committed regardless of how morally wrong most people would find that. This is not legal advice.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > Copyright doesn't protect data it protects presentation. On a map the part of the map with the trap street has usually been traced, the presentation is copied. If you use the same map to compile a street listing then you've not copied you've used the information embedded in that presentation. It also protects collections of information, and its quite possible for repackaging the same collection of information with a different presentation to be found to be a derivative work. ISTR cases related to copyrighted medical code sets and the like where this was the case.
    - pbhjpbhj 11y ago
      >its quite possible for repackaging the same collection of information with a different presentation to be found to be a derivative work // If you do it by copying a creative work. The collection must be deemed to be a creative work. The information held in a medical code would be unlikely to be merely factual. WRT USC see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_and_Collections_of_Information_Misappropriation_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_and_Collections_of_Inf... for example.

theaccordance 11y ago

A lawyer would probably be a better person to answer this question, but if I had to venture a guess: 1. Identifying products that the source company is the sole distribute of 2. Logs that are able to identify the crawler and what it accessed.

fragmede 11y ago

Plagarism/copyright infringement can be proven through the use of 'trap streets' - wait for the site to scrape the fake data off your site, which could only have come from you, since you made it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street

pbhjpbhj 11y ago
>Plagarism/copyright infringement can be proven through the use of 'trap streets' // Copyright doesn't protect data it protects presentation. On a map the part of the map with the trap street has usually been traced, the presentation is copied. If you use the same map to compile a street listing then you've not copied you've used the information embedded in that presentation. If I create a webpage with all the event information held on a particular pin-board then that is not copying, if I add a thumbnail or other image of each poster that is normally copying. The information is free (Database Rights like EC Directive 96/9/EC not withstanding). Plagiarism is not generally illegal except as it imposes on personal contracts/agreements and on other IPR (eg copyright). For example I can recite an out-of-copyright work verbatim -- that is a work in the public domain -- on my website with no attribution (or even a fake one) and there is generally no tort or crime committed regardless of how morally wrong most people would find that. This is not legal advice.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > Copyright doesn't protect data it protects presentation. On a map the part of the map with the trap street has usually been traced, the presentation is copied. If you use the same map to compile a street listing then you've not copied you've used the information embedded in that presentation. It also protects collections of information, and its quite possible for repackaging the same collection of information with a different presentation to be found to be a derivative work. ISTR cases related to copyrighted medical code sets and the like where this was the case.
  - pbhjpbhj 11y ago
    >its quite possible for repackaging the same collection of information with a different presentation to be found to be a derivative work // If you do it by copying a creative work. The collection must be deemed to be a creative work. The information held in a medical code would be unlikely to be merely factual. WRT USC see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_and_Collections_of_Information_Misappropriation_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_and_Collections_of_Inf... for example.