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When a woman who has perfect reviews is passed over for a promotion by a man who doesn't... ya, they have some room to be pissed off and gripe. And yes, if you

by tw04 12y ago

When a woman who has perfect reviews is passed over for a promotion by a man who doesn't... ya, they have some room to be pissed off and gripe. And yes, if you do everything your employer asks of you and then some, you should be rewarded. What is this world coming to when doing so is considered "average"?

phamilton 12y ago
If a promotion is available, then you are probably right. But if no position is available you could be the perfect employee and not get a promotion and there would be nothing wrong with that.
- rhizome 12y ago
  Being passed-over implies a promotion was available.
pen2l 12y ago
> And yes, if you do everything your employer asks of you and then some, you should be rewarded. What is this world coming to when doing so is considered "average"? You probably should, but the reality of a capitalistic system is you probably won't. I have a lot of friends who did everything they were told would get them good jobs, a stable pay, money to have a house, a vacation... but they have nothing. Not to discredit Pao, but I sometimes just laugh at people lamenting about not getting their millions whilst I'm sitting here, drinking with my suicidal buddy who's lamenting about not being able to land a job, after having submitted his resume to over a hundred places.
cbd1984 12y ago
So if a man got passed over and a woman got the promotion, would the man have a good case, in your eyes? How about if they were both the same gender?
- cbd1984 12y ago
  It seems like there's a conversation we're not having here, and a few people should not be allowed to force us to not have it.
AnkhMorporkian 12y ago
Playing devil's advocate, being perfect at position X doesn't necessarily mean you'll be a good fit at position Y, and being less than perfect at position X doesn't mean you won't be a perfect fit in position Y.
- ptaipale 12y ago
  Right. Remember Peter's Principle: Selection of a candidate for a position is based on the candidate's performance in their current role rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role. Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, and "managers rise to the level of their incompetence."

by tw04 12y ago

phamilton 12y ago

If a promotion is available, then you are probably right. But if no position is available you could be the perfect employee and not get a promotion and there would be nothing wrong with that.

rhizome 12y ago
Being passed-over implies a promotion was available.

pen2l 12y ago

> And yes, if you do everything your employer asks of you and then some, you should be rewarded. What is this world coming to when doing so is considered "average"? You probably should, but the reality of a capitalistic system is you probably won't. I have a lot of friends who did everything they were told would get them good jobs, a stable pay, money to have a house, a vacation... but they have nothing. Not to discredit Pao, but I sometimes just laugh at people lamenting about not getting their millions whilst I'm sitting here, drinking with my suicidal buddy who's lamenting about not being able to land a job, after having submitted his resume to over a hundred places.

cbd1984 12y ago

So if a man got passed over and a woman got the promotion, would the man have a good case, in your eyes? How about if they were both the same gender?

cbd1984 12y ago
It seems like there's a conversation we're not having here, and a few people should not be allowed to force us to not have it.

AnkhMorporkian 12y ago

Playing devil's advocate, being perfect at position X doesn't necessarily mean you'll be a good fit at position Y, and being less than perfect at position X doesn't mean you won't be a perfect fit in position Y.

ptaipale 12y ago
Right. Remember Peter's Principle: Selection of a candidate for a position is based on the candidate's performance in their current role rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role. Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, and "managers rise to the level of their incompetence."