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Bloody immigrants. Go back to your own country. Oh wait, sorry, Americans aren't immigrans, they're expats. My bad. Double standards on immigration are pretty

by Tharkun 12y ago

Bloody immigrants. Go back to your own country. Oh wait, sorry, Americans aren't immigrans, they're expats. My bad. Double standards on immigration are pretty shitty.

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bruceb 12y ago
Most people don't say that. But nice strawman you building. Millions of people want to come to America. Most countries don't have open borders I am not sure why America is expected to.
netcan 12y ago
I know quite a lot of first generation immigrants who call locals "foreigners." Seems especially common among east asians, I always assumed it's just a translation of language that makes sense in (eg) China (non-chinese = foreigners) that doesn't make literal sense in the new context but just stays a part of the language. Not everything is malicious.
venomsnake 12y ago
Actually no. I want to live at least for a short time in US, so I will either try to get some of the visas or start a company there, or hope to win the green card lottery or any other legal venue. I would never under any circumstances cross a border illegal or without respecting the country borders and laws. Crossing a border/ living somewhere without legal permit is direct attack against the sovereignty of a country. And that is why I will support deporting (or shooting while crossing the border) any person that enters without a valid visa at a valid border entry port worldwide. Americans living abroad are usually in possession of full stack of legal documentation allowing them to live there.
- bruceb 12y ago
  And this is the other extreme. Shooting person crossing the border is of course insane.
  - venomsnake 12y ago
    No it is not. National borders are sacred.
    - k-mcgrady 12y ago
      >> "National borders are sacred." They're ridiculous.
    - atmosx 12y ago
      You were not born in the Gaza strip, Syria, Turkey's east border, Mexico, South Korea or Cuba... So why give a shit, right? That's a mature way to think and act. So much for 4000+ years of human evolution.
      - venomsnake 12y ago
        Hmm ... South Korea is not a terrible place to be born. I was born in a country that has a track record of concentration camps and shooting defectors to the west. Problem?
        lotsofmangos 12y ago
        I don't think anyone has a problem with where you were born, they have a problem with your opinions.
- bottled_poe 12y ago
  > full stack of legal documentation Usually in the form of USD.
  - venomsnake 12y ago
    Well no. Usually visa and work permit. Not hard to get for high value individual.
    - throwaway9324 12y ago
      Plenty of Americans work without a work permit and overstay their visa.
seivan 12y ago
I know you were just trying to be frivolous and sarcastic, but it doesn't help the debate. You're just as bad at treating immigration as a homogenous group like genuine xenophobes. You do realise there are valid points to being against certain parts of immigration - which most people are, they're against certain parts of it. For instance, these people aren't refugees, they are however treated as refugees https://m.facebook.com/MissionDawahSverige https://m.facebook.com/MissionDawahSverige Even though they openly support ISIS. I call them invaders or invasion force, but that's for a lack of a better term. However Sweden treat them as refugees and count them as "children" - (yeah even with the beard)
tallanvor 12y ago
I consider myself an expat at the moment because while I have no plans to move back to the US, I also don't plan on renouncing my citizenship. But I use that definition for people from other countries as well - I know people from Australia, the UK, Germany, India, Japan, etc. who I consider to be expats. If you're willing to give up your citizenship, then you're an emigrant in my eyes. But I'm also getting much closer to being willing to give up my US citizenship... The only benefit is that I can decide to go back to the US if necessary, and given the political crap there, that's an increasingly depressing thought.

by Tharkun 12y ago

Bloody immigrants. Go back to your own country. Oh wait, sorry, Americans aren't immigrans, they're expats. My bad. Double standards on immigration are pretty shitty.

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bruceb 12y ago

Most people don't say that. But nice strawman you building. Millions of people want to come to America. Most countries don't have open borders I am not sure why America is expected to.

netcan 12y ago

I know quite a lot of first generation immigrants who call locals "foreigners." Seems especially common among east asians, I always assumed it's just a translation of language that makes sense in (eg) China (non-chinese = foreigners) that doesn't make literal sense in the new context but just stays a part of the language. Not everything is malicious.

venomsnake 12y ago

Actually no. I want to live at least for a short time in US, so I will either try to get some of the visas or start a company there, or hope to win the green card lottery or any other legal venue. I would never under any circumstances cross a border illegal or without respecting the country borders and laws. Crossing a border/ living somewhere without legal permit is direct attack against the sovereignty of a country. And that is why I will support deporting (or shooting while crossing the border) any person that enters without a valid visa at a valid border entry port worldwide. Americans living abroad are usually in possession of full stack of legal documentation allowing them to live there.

bruceb 12y ago
And this is the other extreme. Shooting person crossing the border is of course insane.
- venomsnake 12y ago
  No it is not. National borders are sacred.
  - k-mcgrady 12y ago
    >> "National borders are sacred." They're ridiculous.
  - atmosx 12y ago
    You were not born in the Gaza strip, Syria, Turkey's east border, Mexico, South Korea or Cuba... So why give a shit, right? That's a mature way to think and act. So much for 4000+ years of human evolution.
    - venomsnake 12y ago
      Hmm ... South Korea is not a terrible place to be born. I was born in a country that has a track record of concentration camps and shooting defectors to the west. Problem?
      - lotsofmangos 12y ago
        I don't think anyone has a problem with where you were born, they have a problem with your opinions.
bottled_poe 12y ago
> full stack of legal documentation Usually in the form of USD.
- venomsnake 12y ago
  Well no. Usually visa and work permit. Not hard to get for high value individual.
  - throwaway9324 12y ago
    Plenty of Americans work without a work permit and overstay their visa.

seivan 12y ago

I know you were just trying to be frivolous and sarcastic, but it doesn't help the debate. You're just as bad at treating immigration as a homogenous group like genuine xenophobes. You do realise there are valid points to being against certain parts of immigration - which most people are, they're against certain parts of it. For instance, these people aren't refugees, they are however treated as refugees https://m.facebook.com/MissionDawahSverige https://m.facebook.com/MissionDawahSverige Even though they openly support ISIS. I call them invaders or invasion force, but that's for a lack of a better term. However Sweden treat them as refugees and count them as "children" - (yeah even with the beard)

tallanvor 12y ago

I consider myself an expat at the moment because while I have no plans to move back to the US, I also don't plan on renouncing my citizenship. But I use that definition for people from other countries as well - I know people from Australia, the UK, Germany, India, Japan, etc. who I consider to be expats. If you're willing to give up your citizenship, then you're an emigrant in my eyes. But I'm also getting much closer to being willing to give up my US citizenship... The only benefit is that I can decide to go back to the US if necessary, and given the political crap there, that's an increasingly depressing thought.