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>We shouldn't condemn them for choosing this lifestyle. Oh, I'll condemn the ones that choose it. If you're homeless because you have mental or physical probl

by tsotha 12y ago

>We shouldn't condemn them for choosing this lifestyle. Oh, I'll condemn the ones that choose it. If you're homeless because you have mental or physical problems that's one thing, but people who choose to be homeless because they're too lazy to work are parasites.

seanmcdirmid 12y ago
Laziness is an indicator of mental disorder; there is usually some sort of depression, drug abuse, or other problem making the person drop out of society like that, rarely is it just "I don't want to work." Of course, in less prosperous societies, it mostly isn't a choice made willingly.
- tsotha 12y ago
  >Laziness is an indicator of mental disorder... I don't agree at all. Some amount of laziness is normal, and the world is full of people without mental disorders that will do the minimum to get by. This is just the tail end of the curve. Everybody has problems, and most of us still get up and go to work. Since we're not going to deny services to the ones who don't we should require them to work if they're able.
  - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
    Some amounts of laziness are normal, but excessive amounts are not. Mental disorders are much more common than you think, and probably could have been easily solved with early intervention (but you know the education and mental health system in America isn't that great...). But anyways, they don't get a free ride especially in Puritanical America.
    - tsotha 12y ago
      >But anyways, they don't get a free ride especially in Puritanical America. They don't? Where I live they get money from the county and free medical care. They occasionally get free beds in a shelter (which some of them refuse). When they attack each other the cops are left to try and figure it out. And the rest of us are paying for it all. I'm not opposed to helping people who need it, but I think the idea people who behave antisocially ipso facto have some sort of mental illness and should therefor be supported by the rest of us is corrosive and wrong.
      - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
        This is still much less than they get in other developed countries. The alternatives of no support...well...you just have to come to China to see how that works out.
task_queue 12y ago
I will never understand where this vitriolic self-righteousness comes from. What gives you the right to classify people as parasites? I don't think paying taxes gives you that right in any circumstance.
- tsotha 11y ago
  I do. If you can provide for yourself what right do you have to live off of me? That's the very definition of a parasite.
  - task_queue 11y ago
    Do you feel as strongly about the people that can provide for themselves, do much better than yourself, yet still choose to live off of you? What about large groups of people who pay lawyers more money than you'll ever see to figure out ways to take more to live off of you and never contribute back? Does anyone who takes a tax break classify as a parasite as well? Are parents parasites until their kids are independent? Why is it that someone who consumes no social services (no address/documents? have fun), besides an odd meal or night in a shelter provided from donations, produces such vitriol from you while an entire class of people exists that rake in trillions of dollars that are skimmed directly from your taxes? Anyway, have fun dehumanizing a disadvantaged class of people on the internet.

by tsotha 12y ago

seanmcdirmid 12y ago

Laziness is an indicator of mental disorder; there is usually some sort of depression, drug abuse, or other problem making the person drop out of society like that, rarely is it just "I don't want to work." Of course, in less prosperous societies, it mostly isn't a choice made willingly.

tsotha 12y ago
>Laziness is an indicator of mental disorder... I don't agree at all. Some amount of laziness is normal, and the world is full of people without mental disorders that will do the minimum to get by. This is just the tail end of the curve. Everybody has problems, and most of us still get up and go to work. Since we're not going to deny services to the ones who don't we should require them to work if they're able.
- seanmcdirmid 12y ago
  Some amounts of laziness are normal, but excessive amounts are not. Mental disorders are much more common than you think, and probably could have been easily solved with early intervention (but you know the education and mental health system in America isn't that great...). But anyways, they don't get a free ride especially in Puritanical America.
  - tsotha 12y ago
    >But anyways, they don't get a free ride especially in Puritanical America. They don't? Where I live they get money from the county and free medical care. They occasionally get free beds in a shelter (which some of them refuse). When they attack each other the cops are left to try and figure it out. And the rest of us are paying for it all. I'm not opposed to helping people who need it, but I think the idea people who behave antisocially ipso facto have some sort of mental illness and should therefor be supported by the rest of us is corrosive and wrong.
    - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
      This is still much less than they get in other developed countries. The alternatives of no support...well...you just have to come to China to see how that works out.

task_queue 12y ago

I will never understand where this vitriolic self-righteousness comes from. What gives you the right to classify people as parasites? I don't think paying taxes gives you that right in any circumstance.

tsotha 11y ago
I do. If you can provide for yourself what right do you have to live off of me? That's the very definition of a parasite.
- task_queue 11y ago
  Do you feel as strongly about the people that can provide for themselves, do much better than yourself, yet still choose to live off of you? What about large groups of people who pay lawyers more money than you'll ever see to figure out ways to take more to live off of you and never contribute back? Does anyone who takes a tax break classify as a parasite as well? Are parents parasites until their kids are independent? Why is it that someone who consumes no social services (no address/documents? have fun), besides an odd meal or night in a shelter provided from donations, produces such vitriol from you while an entire class of people exists that rake in trillions of dollars that are skimmed directly from your taxes? Anyway, have fun dehumanizing a disadvantaged class of people on the internet.