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”While an officer surely cannot issue a ‘move on’ order to a person because he is recording, the police may order bystanders to disperse for reasons related to

”While an officer surely cannot issue a ‘move on’ order to a person because he is recording, the police may order bystanders to disperse for reasons related to public safety and order and other legitimate law enforcement needs.” Hmm. That looks like a loophole the size of "stop resisting" or "I feared for my life." I'd be willing to bet that the future holds a notable number of court cases which will turn on the question of whether an officer was justified in requesting dispersement for "public safety reasons"... maybe even as standard operating procedure. Still, this is an improvement.

PopsiclePete 12y ago
In politics, just like in life, you ask for the cadillac, you get the dodge. Just like the ACA - small baby steps, painfully small. Slow progress, or you upset the delicate balance too much.
rlpb 12y ago
At least there will be video evidence that the court can use to decide, since deleting the video cannot be justified on this basis. They could delete the video and pretend that it was never taken, but that's no different to what we have now and what we would have even if there were no exceptions whatsoever.
venomsnake 12y ago
Cameras have zoom ...
- orbitingpluto 12y ago
  ...but not parabolic microphones.
  - yellowapple 12y ago
    Maybe yours doesn't.
scott_karana 12y ago
If your video proves that the circumstances don't warrant "public safety" concerns, that could be overturned. ;)
- pavel_lishin 12y ago
  Please make sure your device is uploading the video as you record it before you try to make a court case out of yourself. It's no fun spending a night in the drunk tank only to discover that your phone was mysteriously wiped in the night.
  - scott_karana 12y ago
    I actually meant "if told to leave the scene while recording, make sure to record the request and then comply", which wouldn't normally be a circumstance where you'd be arrested. You're certainly right about uploading as you record wherever possible though.
    - pavel_lishin 12y ago
      I can't cite the exact case, but I think there's been at least one case where someone did that and were still arrested, because they didn't comply with the implicit request - "stop filming me, citizen" - quickly enough. I could be wrong, and this might be a memory I made up. :/
pXMzR2A 12y ago
> Hmm. That looks like a loophole the size of "stop resisting" or "I feared for my life." Yup, it's an excuse that cops use the most in PINAC[1] videos. Edit: [1] http://photographyisnotacrime.com/ http://photographyisnotacrime.com/

PopsiclePete 12y ago

In politics, just like in life, you ask for the cadillac, you get the dodge. Just like the ACA - small baby steps, painfully small. Slow progress, or you upset the delicate balance too much.

rlpb 12y ago

At least there will be video evidence that the court can use to decide, since deleting the video cannot be justified on this basis. They could delete the video and pretend that it was never taken, but that's no different to what we have now and what we would have even if there were no exceptions whatsoever.

venomsnake 12y ago

Cameras have zoom ...

orbitingpluto 12y ago
...but not parabolic microphones.
- yellowapple 12y ago
  Maybe yours doesn't.

scott_karana 12y ago

If your video proves that the circumstances don't warrant "public safety" concerns, that could be overturned. ;)

pavel_lishin 12y ago
Please make sure your device is uploading the video as you record it before you try to make a court case out of yourself. It's no fun spending a night in the drunk tank only to discover that your phone was mysteriously wiped in the night.
- scott_karana 12y ago
  I actually meant "if told to leave the scene while recording, make sure to record the request and then comply", which wouldn't normally be a circumstance where you'd be arrested. You're certainly right about uploading as you record wherever possible though.
  - pavel_lishin 12y ago
    I can't cite the exact case, but I think there's been at least one case where someone did that and were still arrested, because they didn't comply with the implicit request - "stop filming me, citizen" - quickly enough. I could be wrong, and this might be a memory I made up. :/

pXMzR2A 12y ago

> Hmm. That looks like a loophole the size of "stop resisting" or "I feared for my life." Yup, it's an excuse that cops use the most in PINAC[1] videos. Edit: [1] http://photographyisnotacrime.com/ http://photographyisnotacrime.com/