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At this point, there is absolutely no evidence, beyond the defense attorney's claim, that the malicious software neither existed prior to him handing it over to

by rpo3po 11y ago

At this point, there is absolutely no evidence, beyond the defense attorney's claim, that the malicious software neither existed prior to him handing it over to the police department, nor that it was installed after the fact, by the defense attorney. It is just as likely that, in either of those possibilities, this is a self-inflicted attempt by the defense attorney to discredit the police. Arstechnica, and every comment that I've read, both there and here on YC, reach conclusions based on a potentially, and just-as-likely-false, premise: that the act of the software installation occurred as a result of some action or inaction of the police. False premise = potentially false conclusion. Brains, people, brains. Use them, please.

hurin 11y ago
Maybe the Arstechnica article is biased towards the defense attorney's side of the story - but I definitely don't see the primary issue here as being law enforcement officers installed said software (as you pointed out, this is yet an unproven hypothesis - though quite a likely one perhaps). At least for me the substantiated and proven issue is that the CID Special Investigations Unit refused to investigate whether such a thing occurred. > Brains, people, brains. Use them, please. Adding insults to your comment does not make for a better discussion.
- rpo3po 11y ago
  Is it an insult or a plea for reasoning? No, I have a Bachelor's degree in CJ, but outside of that, if the primary issue is the determination to pursue charges, then what happens if there are no actions which precipitate charges?
  - rpo3po 11y ago
    And, potentially biased, from the Arstechnica side?? That's an understatement, to say the least. I can say, with a fair amount of certainty, that nearly every, if not every writer on the Arstechnica payroll, is absolutely biased toward the defense side, in this case, and just about every other one. Scrape their site and return the pro-law enforcement vs negative-law enforcement articles, and there will absolutely be an enormous bias present.
    - sp332 11y ago
      If law enforcement is on average generating more negative newsworthy incidents than positive ones, then the unbiased thing to do is to publish a proportionally higher number of negative articles. You'd have to weight the incidents by importance and see if they are more likely to publish less important negative articles and less likely to publish more important positive articles.
      - rpo3po 11y ago
        This, too, begins with a false premise: that journalists are equally likely to seek out positive and negative stories, and to give both of them equal importance. That is a naive assumption, unfortunately, and the facts of reporting - bad events make for good copy - prove it entirely false.
        megablast 11y ago
        This is incredibly easy to prove. Count all the good stories that have happened, and all the bad. Compare the ratios to different publications. Of course, it is a lot harder to prove if you are saying something different than the truth.
        popularflea 11y ago
        Well we know the media never prints libelous stories... Like Duke Lacrosse, Jackie's "rape", "Hands up don't shoot!", ad nauseum. Lol. Everyone has biases. Good reporting ought to address both sides equally. This article doesn't do that - it is shoddy reporting. Regardless, readers always ought to ask, " what are the other possibilities, here? Is this author credible? Which side does this author favor? Is each side being given equal space?" Comments on this article prove that people don't do that, unfortunately.
        wtbob 11y ago
        > This is incredibly easy to prove. Count all the good stories that have happened, and all the bad. Compare the ratios to different publications. I think that's likely to be a lot more difficult than you think: how does an independent observer know what the count of good and bad events is, rather than the count of good & bad published events? The trouble is that if an event isn't published, it's practically invisible to an observer. This is a related issue to the fact that many sensational crimes are less common today, but perceived to be more common due to over-coverage in the media.
  - Crito 11y ago
    > "Is it an insult or a plea for reasoning?" The former. Possibly also the later, but definitely the former.
    - popularflea 11y ago
      You can't say that for sure, unless your psychic or a mind reader. Starting to think this site is just like reddit. Ive seen worse things said about this guy than anything he said. and I read all his post's. And lots of hypocrite s in here that are obviously held to different standards than what they proclaim (I read some of your other pages postings). Hive mind, criticize and gang up on people who disagree with you. You are an example of what you say you oppose in others. I bet you'll downvotw me because "this comment isn't productive" while all you snots won't downvote your brothers when they do the same damn thing, in this posting and plenty of others. My life, my life for an intellectually honest HN'er
- rpo3po 11y ago
  The answer, which I'm confident that you know, based upon your allowance that perhaps the attorney is making a falsified claim, is that there is nothing, at that point. Charges for different crimes require different levels of evidence. Charges for the same crimes, committed in different circumstances (motive, for example) require different evidence (and intention). Charges in different locales require different levels of evidence. All these facts, and plenty more, are far beyond the scope of an uninformed Arstechnica columnist. Edit: the fact that someone saw fit to down vote this comment is proof of idiocy, in and of itself. Just because you don't understand how the criminal justice system works, is no fault of mine.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    You're being downvoted for weirdly aggressive attitude and for the insult which you refused to remove.
    - popularflea 11y ago
      Who cares. I don't here you saying he's wrong. In the same time that your criticizing him for insults, your own comment is insulting >weirdly aggressive attitude But maybe you don't see what you said bring an insult. And maybe neither does he. By your thinking, your comment should be downvotrd to.
- popularflea 11y ago
  What you see as the issue is discredited within the article: the 2 divisions declined to investigate due to purview and authority. Did you read the article or just the summary?
beedogs 11y ago
Turn your snark and shitty attitude down, please.

by rpo3po 11y ago

hurin 11y ago

Maybe the Arstechnica article is biased towards the defense attorney's side of the story - but I definitely don't see the primary issue here as being law enforcement officers installed said software (as you pointed out, this is yet an unproven hypothesis - though quite a likely one perhaps). At least for me the substantiated and proven issue is that the CID Special Investigations Unit refused to investigate whether such a thing occurred. > Brains, people, brains. Use them, please. Adding insults to your comment does not make for a better discussion.

rpo3po 11y ago
Is it an insult or a plea for reasoning? No, I have a Bachelor's degree in CJ, but outside of that, if the primary issue is the determination to pursue charges, then what happens if there are no actions which precipitate charges?
- rpo3po 11y ago
  And, potentially biased, from the Arstechnica side?? That's an understatement, to say the least. I can say, with a fair amount of certainty, that nearly every, if not every writer on the Arstechnica payroll, is absolutely biased toward the defense side, in this case, and just about every other one. Scrape their site and return the pro-law enforcement vs negative-law enforcement articles, and there will absolutely be an enormous bias present.
  - sp332 11y ago
    If law enforcement is on average generating more negative newsworthy incidents than positive ones, then the unbiased thing to do is to publish a proportionally higher number of negative articles. You'd have to weight the incidents by importance and see if they are more likely to publish less important negative articles and less likely to publish more important positive articles.
    - rpo3po 11y ago
      This, too, begins with a false premise: that journalists are equally likely to seek out positive and negative stories, and to give both of them equal importance. That is a naive assumption, unfortunately, and the facts of reporting - bad events make for good copy - prove it entirely false.
      - megablast 11y ago
        This is incredibly easy to prove. Count all the good stories that have happened, and all the bad. Compare the ratios to different publications. Of course, it is a lot harder to prove if you are saying something different than the truth.
        popularflea 11y ago
        Well we know the media never prints libelous stories... Like Duke Lacrosse, Jackie's "rape", "Hands up don't shoot!", ad nauseum. Lol. Everyone has biases. Good reporting ought to address both sides equally. This article doesn't do that - it is shoddy reporting. Regardless, readers always ought to ask, " what are the other possibilities, here? Is this author credible? Which side does this author favor? Is each side being given equal space?" Comments on this article prove that people don't do that, unfortunately.
        wtbob 11y ago
        > This is incredibly easy to prove. Count all the good stories that have happened, and all the bad. Compare the ratios to different publications. I think that's likely to be a lot more difficult than you think: how does an independent observer know what the count of good and bad events is, rather than the count of good & bad published events? The trouble is that if an event isn't published, it's practically invisible to an observer. This is a related issue to the fact that many sensational crimes are less common today, but perceived to be more common due to over-coverage in the media.
- Crito 11y ago
  > "Is it an insult or a plea for reasoning?" The former. Possibly also the later, but definitely the former.
  - popularflea 11y ago
    You can't say that for sure, unless your psychic or a mind reader. Starting to think this site is just like reddit. Ive seen worse things said about this guy than anything he said. and I read all his post's. And lots of hypocrite s in here that are obviously held to different standards than what they proclaim (I read some of your other pages postings). Hive mind, criticize and gang up on people who disagree with you. You are an example of what you say you oppose in others. I bet you'll downvotw me because "this comment isn't productive" while all you snots won't downvote your brothers when they do the same damn thing, in this posting and plenty of others. My life, my life for an intellectually honest HN'er
rpo3po 11y ago
The answer, which I'm confident that you know, based upon your allowance that perhaps the attorney is making a falsified claim, is that there is nothing, at that point. Charges for different crimes require different levels of evidence. Charges for the same crimes, committed in different circumstances (motive, for example) require different evidence (and intention). Charges in different locales require different levels of evidence. All these facts, and plenty more, are far beyond the scope of an uninformed Arstechnica columnist. Edit: the fact that someone saw fit to down vote this comment is proof of idiocy, in and of itself. Just because you don't understand how the criminal justice system works, is no fault of mine.
- DanBC 11y ago
  You're being downvoted for weirdly aggressive attitude and for the insult which you refused to remove.
  - popularflea 11y ago
    Who cares. I don't here you saying he's wrong. In the same time that your criticizing him for insults, your own comment is insulting >weirdly aggressive attitude But maybe you don't see what you said bring an insult. And maybe neither does he. By your thinking, your comment should be downvotrd to.
popularflea 11y ago
What you see as the issue is discredited within the article: the 2 divisions declined to investigate due to purview and authority. Did you read the article or just the summary?

beedogs 11y ago

Turn your snark and shitty attitude down, please.