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"There are already laws in place to deter all of the outcomes of these actions." When have laws ever stopped bad actors? There are laws against breaking and e

by larrys 12y ago

"There are already laws in place to deter all of the outcomes of these actions." When have laws ever stopped bad actors? There are laws against breaking and entering, burglary and so on. Does that mean you don't lock your house or install an alarm system?

ploxiln 12y ago
It does mean you don't use technical or legal measures to prevent people from having locksmiths fix or replace their door locks. You also don't outlaw locksmith tools, hammers and saws etc. (DMCA)
- larrys 12y ago
  "to prevent people from having locksmiths fix or replace their door locks" In some places (quick check here, California as one example) locksmiths are required to be licensed: http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/locksmith_fact.shtml http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/locksmith_fact.shtml Also noting that there is a physical limitation to the harm that can be done if locksmith tools are sold. Both geographic and how the tool (which in not digital and has friction in distribution) is able to spread. Someone using locksmith tools will most certainly operate in one area. They can't work from the comfort of their bedroom and in most cases can't cover their tracks as easily as digital crime can be covered (and done from anywhere in the world).
  - ploxiln 12y ago
    I guess we're just lucky that anyone who can get licensed (mechanics are also licensed, though not criminal-background-checked I guess) can work on any lock in the regulatory region, because door locks don't have sophisticated software yet.
    - monknomo 12y ago
      "Sorry, that's a Yale and I only have my Schlage tools with me"
      - Intermernet 12y ago
        That actually sounds like something an accomplished lock picker would say!
skj 12y ago
Laws stop bad actors all the time. Certainly not all burglaries are stopped, but I imagine there would be more of them if there were no consequences. We should punish the actual bad behavior, not things that enable bad behavior. Otherwise, we'd outlaw kitchen knives and driving cars because, hey, you never know what someone could use them for.
CamperBob2 12y ago
I lock my house. I don't lock yours.
vacri 12y ago
When have laws ever stopped bad actors? In San Francisco I saw someone start to cross an empty street at an intersection, who then saw a police car cross the street two blocks away. The pedestrian stepped back onto the pavement and waited for the lights to change. This was one of the most trivial crimes possible - jaywalking on an empty street - and it was stopped by a law.

by larrys 12y ago

ploxiln 12y ago

It does mean you don't use technical or legal measures to prevent people from having locksmiths fix or replace their door locks. You also don't outlaw locksmith tools, hammers and saws etc. (DMCA)

larrys 12y ago
"to prevent people from having locksmiths fix or replace their door locks" In some places (quick check here, California as one example) locksmiths are required to be licensed: http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/locksmith_fact.shtml http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/locksmith_fact.shtml Also noting that there is a physical limitation to the harm that can be done if locksmith tools are sold. Both geographic and how the tool (which in not digital and has friction in distribution) is able to spread. Someone using locksmith tools will most certainly operate in one area. They can't work from the comfort of their bedroom and in most cases can't cover their tracks as easily as digital crime can be covered (and done from anywhere in the world).
- ploxiln 12y ago
  I guess we're just lucky that anyone who can get licensed (mechanics are also licensed, though not criminal-background-checked I guess) can work on any lock in the regulatory region, because door locks don't have sophisticated software yet.
  - monknomo 12y ago
    "Sorry, that's a Yale and I only have my Schlage tools with me"
    - Intermernet 12y ago
      That actually sounds like something an accomplished lock picker would say!

skj 12y ago

Laws stop bad actors all the time. Certainly not all burglaries are stopped, but I imagine there would be more of them if there were no consequences. We should punish the actual bad behavior, not things that enable bad behavior. Otherwise, we'd outlaw kitchen knives and driving cars because, hey, you never know what someone could use them for.

CamperBob2 12y ago

I lock my house. I don't lock yours.

vacri 12y ago

When have laws ever stopped bad actors? In San Francisco I saw someone start to cross an empty street at an intersection, who then saw a police car cross the street two blocks away. The pedestrian stepped back onto the pavement and waited for the lights to change. This was one of the most trivial crimes possible - jaywalking on an empty street - and it was stopped by a law.