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> A:During the beta period logs are kept for 24 hours, once beta is complete there will be no call log records. Is there a particular reason to do so during th

by dataker 12y ago

> A:During the beta period logs are kept for 24 hours, once beta is complete there will be no call log records. Is there a particular reason to do so during their beta?

iaw 12y ago
Not associated with Ghost Call but my expectation is that they'd use the logs for debugging major bugs during the beta period. Kind of hard to identify and reproduce transient issues without those logs.
- john8675309 12y ago
  You hit it on the head. I am not interesting in anything but calls not working. After that I have no need or want for the data.
  - iaw 12y ago
    I think anyone that's built a complicated system before gets it implicitly.
DSMan195276 12y ago
If logs include useful call information, then it might be useful for debugging purposes. Without a log, you'd have no idea what happened. That said, that's just a guess.
joepie91_ 12y ago
If there are logs to be kept to begin with, I'd be very skeptical about any "anonymous" and "secure" claims. If it requires trust, then it isn't.
- patcon 12y ago
  Every computer has logs. If you interact with a server, you can't avoid it. Until we have decentralized apps, trust on this is unavoidable. ZRTP and the sign-up process means it will be hard to connect the little metadata they have, so they've narrowed down the amount they're trusted with by a large margin
  - joepie91_ 12y ago
    Which is exactly my point. There shouldn't be anything for a 'server' to 'log'. If there is, then it's not anonymous, not 'secure' either depending on the definition you use, and it should not be advertised as such. At best, it's pseudonymous.
    - igravious 12y ago
      No. Wrong. I'm not affiliated but clearly they are keeping the logs around for 24h during the beta-testing of the service in order to troubleshoot any bugs founds. That would be a lot harder to do without logs. But they're not claiming to offer anonymity during the beta period I imagine, once the service is out of beta then they claim their service to be secure and anonymous. You're either splitting hairs or being uncharitable.
      - joepie91_ 12y ago
        It doesn't matter. Even if they're not keeping logs, there is no way for you to confirm that they're not keeping logs. To them, you are not anonymous, simple as that.

by dataker 12y ago

> A:During the beta period logs are kept for 24 hours, once beta is complete there will be no call log records. Is there a particular reason to do so during their beta?

iaw 12y ago

Not associated with Ghost Call but my expectation is that they'd use the logs for debugging major bugs during the beta period. Kind of hard to identify and reproduce transient issues without those logs.

john8675309 12y ago
You hit it on the head. I am not interesting in anything but calls not working. After that I have no need or want for the data.
- iaw 12y ago
  I think anyone that's built a complicated system before gets it implicitly.

DSMan195276 12y ago

If logs include useful call information, then it might be useful for debugging purposes. Without a log, you'd have no idea what happened. That said, that's just a guess.

joepie91_ 12y ago

If there are logs to be kept to begin with, I'd be very skeptical about any "anonymous" and "secure" claims. If it requires trust, then it isn't.

patcon 12y ago
Every computer has logs. If you interact with a server, you can't avoid it. Until we have decentralized apps, trust on this is unavoidable. ZRTP and the sign-up process means it will be hard to connect the little metadata they have, so they've narrowed down the amount they're trusted with by a large margin
- joepie91_ 12y ago
  Which is exactly my point. There shouldn't be anything for a 'server' to 'log'. If there is, then it's not anonymous, not 'secure' either depending on the definition you use, and it should not be advertised as such. At best, it's pseudonymous.
  - igravious 12y ago
    No. Wrong. I'm not affiliated but clearly they are keeping the logs around for 24h during the beta-testing of the service in order to troubleshoot any bugs founds. That would be a lot harder to do without logs. But they're not claiming to offer anonymity during the beta period I imagine, once the service is out of beta then they claim their service to be secure and anonymous. You're either splitting hairs or being uncharitable.
    - joepie91_ 12y ago
      It doesn't matter. Even if they're not keeping logs, there is no way for you to confirm that they're not keeping logs. To them, you are not anonymous, simple as that.