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While simulating a human brains should be sufficient to pass the Turing test, that doesn't mean it is necessary.
by im2w1l 12y ago
While simulating a human brains should be sufficient to pass the Turing test, that doesn't mean it is necessary.
- jakobegger 12y agoI completely agree with you. However, Kurzweil's argument focuses on the fact that he believes we will someday be able to simulate the human brain, and that's something I disagree with strongly.
- johansch 12y agoSaying that we will never be able to simulate a piece of hardware/wetware is a pretty strong statement. (Unless you think there is some kind of magic inside it.)
- jakobegger 12y agothe obstacle is that systems composed of many simple elements quickly become so complicated that we can't simulate them anymore, even if we would completely understand the individual elements.
- sumitviii 12y agoBut we have working examples of that machine. The problem is in completely understanding it. If we completely understand it, then it shouldn't be hard to simulate.
- jakobegger 12y agoi'd argue against that. Somewhere else in this thread someone brought up weather predictions; even though we completely understand the physics of weather, we can't simulate worldwide climate precisely for various reasons (not enough information, not enough computational resources, chaotic behavior). I think it's the same thing with our brain.
- sumitviii 12y agoI may be wrong, but weather cannot be simulated because real version is running over the complete globe. Brain, while hard to simulate with present technology, still is a 3 pound thing. Computational resources obstacle will be overcome.
- e12e 12y agoI don't think that a human brain, isolated and somehow kept alive, would be able to pass the Turing test. Especially not if it was grown in a tank or something. I might be wrong, of course. The story of Helen Keller seem to imply that very little stimuli is needed to become self-aware and be able to communicate in a meaningful way -- but who can say how important it is to be able to relate, on some fundamental level -- in order to share enough to pass a Turing test?