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I agree. I value what javascript enables for those experience as well. I just wish more sites could implement those useful pieces and still get all the basic in

I agree. I value what javascript enables for those experience as well. I just wish more sites could implement those useful pieces and still get all the basic interactions correct. Too often, those are broken, I assume due to ignorance.

findjashua 12y ago
True, coming from Backbone, I've run into my share of broken views, but we're beginning to see newer libraries, like React, that provide better abstractions and reduce the possibility of introducing bugs.
- bikamonki 12y ago
  I take it you've experienced the event-ghost nightmare or the parent-child view disaster? I've used bbjs 2yrs now and are also looking to try react. Have you? What bbjs problems does it solve? What do you miss from bbjs? I also understand the two are not strictly comparable: bbjs is mvc, react is v. Do you use react for views only?
  - mercer 12y ago
    React isn't just 'v', but you do generally want to use something alongside it that takes care of the data. I've had a great experience using the flux pattern with Reflux.js (which is one of the 'simpler' flux implementations.) Another interesting option is Baobab.js, although that still seems to be in heavy development. I've also used flux with Ractive.js, which in some ways is perhaps an easier introduction into the flux/react approach. Might want to check that out. I find it hard to describe how incredibly simpler everything is now that I don't use BB anymore. With some of the stuff that 'just works' in my current setup I can't even begin to think of a clean way to do in Backbone.
  - findjashua 12y ago
    @mercer pretty much nailed it - I use react+reflux, and it's made life a lot easier. If server-side html is important to you, check out flummox. As for mvc, I would say react+reflux is more like mvvm than mvc. I don't miss anything from backbone and can't imagine going back, good riddance.

findjashua 12y ago

True, coming from Backbone, I've run into my share of broken views, but we're beginning to see newer libraries, like React, that provide better abstractions and reduce the possibility of introducing bugs.

bikamonki 12y ago
I take it you've experienced the event-ghost nightmare or the parent-child view disaster? I've used bbjs 2yrs now and are also looking to try react. Have you? What bbjs problems does it solve? What do you miss from bbjs? I also understand the two are not strictly comparable: bbjs is mvc, react is v. Do you use react for views only?
- mercer 12y ago
  React isn't just 'v', but you do generally want to use something alongside it that takes care of the data. I've had a great experience using the flux pattern with Reflux.js (which is one of the 'simpler' flux implementations.) Another interesting option is Baobab.js, although that still seems to be in heavy development. I've also used flux with Ractive.js, which in some ways is perhaps an easier introduction into the flux/react approach. Might want to check that out. I find it hard to describe how incredibly simpler everything is now that I don't use BB anymore. With some of the stuff that 'just works' in my current setup I can't even begin to think of a clean way to do in Backbone.
- findjashua 12y ago
  @mercer pretty much nailed it - I use react+reflux, and it's made life a lot easier. If server-side html is important to you, check out flummox. As for mvc, I would say react+reflux is more like mvvm than mvc. I don't miss anything from backbone and can't imagine going back, good riddance.