3 ms·

1. JS has a lot of quirks, but you can find quirks in anything that has been around for a long time. From just using a linter you can avoid a TON of problems (a

1. JS has a lot of quirks, but you can find quirks in anything that has been around for a long time. From just using a linter you can avoid a TON of problems (and realistically, how many people code in any language without any kind of linting?). 2. I don't know what to say about this. Maybe historically, yeah. But nowadays? You can build your API with any language or framework, and have nodejs running an isomorphic app. This means you can do server-side rendering and then delegate to the client once it loads. This provides the best possible experience. And you avoid code duplication, since you can run the almost the exact same code on the server and client. (You'll usually have to do some minor tweaks, which I'd consider reasonable.) 3. From what I've seen, complex UI interaction are difficult to do well regardless of your environment. (This is also why I've been really excited about react+flux, since it provides a much better experience when developing applications.)

mattdeboard 12y ago
Not all quirks are created equally, friend, and not all languages of a particular "generation" (e.g. python, javascript, java all released in the early- to mid-90s) are essentially equivalent. PG put it well: > But when our hypothetical Blub programmer looks in the other direction, up the power continuum, he doesn't realize he's looking up. What he sees are merely weird languages. He probably considers them about equivalent in power to Blub, but with all this other hairy stuff thrown in as well.[1] Anyway, we probably agree on this topic but are dickering over something tangential (whether JavaScript sucks). I'm a big React+Flux fan as well. I never enjoyed front-end development, and really I avoided it, until React came around. [1] http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html
- chase-seibert 12y ago
  +1 I think that React.js is actually a much better model, closer to how you would render full page renders on the server.
soulchild77 12y ago
Perl gets bashed for all its quirks all the time, although there is a huge amount of tooling to write clean and readable Perl (Perl::Critic, Moose, etc). What really amazes me, is how everybody seems to be cool with using tons of tools to work around the many inherent language deficiencies in Javascript (with Coffeescript being the most insane "solution"), but it's a totally different story when it comes to Perl.

mattdeboard 12y ago

Not all quirks are created equally, friend, and not all languages of a particular "generation" (e.g. python, javascript, java all released in the early- to mid-90s) are essentially equivalent. PG put it well: > But when our hypothetical Blub programmer looks in the other direction, up the power continuum, he doesn't realize he's looking up. What he sees are merely weird languages. He probably considers them about equivalent in power to Blub, but with all this other hairy stuff thrown in as well.[1] Anyway, we probably agree on this topic but are dickering over something tangential (whether JavaScript sucks). I'm a big React+Flux fan as well. I never enjoyed front-end development, and really I avoided it, until React came around. [1] http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html

chase-seibert 12y ago
+1 I think that React.js is actually a much better model, closer to how you would render full page renders on the server.

soulchild77 12y ago

Perl gets bashed for all its quirks all the time, although there is a huge amount of tooling to write clean and readable Perl (Perl::Critic, Moose, etc). What really amazes me, is how everybody seems to be cool with using tons of tools to work around the many inherent language deficiencies in Javascript (with Coffeescript being the most insane "solution"), but it's a totally different story when it comes to Perl.