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That perspective sounds a bit male. Women do give up most of their career perspectives up when deciding to raise children. And part of that even applies to wome

That perspective sounds a bit male. Women do give up most of their career perspectives up when deciding to raise children. And part of that even applies to women who don't ever want children, just because employers assume they COULD get pregnant at some point. At least some bias in favor of mothers should be "fair". And keep in mind, it should not be male singles who decide what is and isn't fair in divorce law...

NotableAlamode 12y ago
(1) Why are you criticising a perspective for being male? (2) The majority of women do not give up on their career. They voluntarily choose to escape the rat race that and lead a life mostly of leisure. There is nothing in biology that prevents women from going back to work the day after delivery and letting the father look after the children. Some even do ... bless them. Looking after children is not work, it's quite pleasant, much more pleasant than slaving away in the modern american corporation: no deadlines, no bosses threatening to fire, no backstabbing colleagues. If you don't enjoy hanging out with your children, then probably you should not have any and would not be a good parent. Modern technology (hoovers, microwave, washing machines etc) has automated away everything that was unpleasant about running a household, leaving what is essentially a form of long-term holiday, paid for by hubby. This is the primary reason for alimony: allowing women to stay on paid-for long-term holiday, and it's also the reason why men work so much more then women, because they have to. Look at alimony more progressive countries, e.g. Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_law_in_Sweden#Maintenance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_law_in_Sweden#Maintena.... (3) Why should there be "some bias in favor of mothers"? That sounds pretty sexist. (4) Why should not "male singles [...] decide what is and isn't fair in divorce law"? After all they are forced to foot the bill. Is there some metaphysical law in place that grants women exclusive rights to decide in matters of family and sexuality?
- icebraining 12y ago
  (4) Why should not "male singles [...] decide what is and isn't fair in divorce law"? After all they are forced to foot the bill. Is there some metaphysical law in place that grants women exclusive rights to decide in matters of family and sexuality? I agree, but that's already the case, since virtually all legislators are men.
- moe 12y ago
  The majority of women do not give up on their career. They voluntarily choose to escape the rat race that and lead a life mostly of leisure. What qualifies you to judge "the majority of women"? Have you talked to all of them? There is nothing in biology that prevents women from going back to work the day after delivery You are disgusting. Why should there be "some bias in favor of mothers"? That sounds pretty sexist. Because men can not get children. And because there's a bit more to having a child than "delivering and then going back to work".
  - Dylan16807 12y ago
    >>There is nothing in biology that prevents women from going back to work the day after delivery >You are disgusting. Whoa now. I won't say I agree with the entire comment, but I don't see the problem with that line. At least if "day" is changed to "week". What is "disgusting" about, for example, having the father at home raising the newborn while the mother works?
    - moe 12y ago
      At least if "day" is changed to "week". He wrote "day" and not "week". What is "disgusting" about, for example, having the father at home raising the newborn while the mother works? Nothing. That is a very different notion from the misogynist drivel that I was replying to ("majority of women", "life of leisure", "long-term holiday paid by hubby").
- bayesianhorse 12y ago
  (1) I didn't criticize the perspective, I merely said it sounds like coming from a man... No judgement there. (2) So much wrong there, no idea where to start. "Life mostly of leisure" is not what I and many others think of motherhood. How come stay-at-home mothers get burnout then? (3) I explained why I think that fathers should'nt have financial incentives to walk away from families they promised to take care of. That works out to a bias in favor of mothers. Deal with it. (4) Marriage is a contract, designed to make sure children can be raised in relative financial security. Relative at least to the situation of one parent vanishing into thin air because he stands to gain, financially. It's a very narrow interpretation to say that men "foot the bill". They married the woman, they are responsible for their children. Now is it fair for men to get a financial reward from walking away from their promises and obligations? I don't think so.

NotableAlamode 12y ago

(1) Why are you criticising a perspective for being male? (2) The majority of women do not give up on their career. They voluntarily choose to escape the rat race that and lead a life mostly of leisure. There is nothing in biology that prevents women from going back to work the day after delivery and letting the father look after the children. Some even do ... bless them. Looking after children is not work, it's quite pleasant, much more pleasant than slaving away in the modern american corporation: no deadlines, no bosses threatening to fire, no backstabbing colleagues. If you don't enjoy hanging out with your children, then probably you should not have any and would not be a good parent. Modern technology (hoovers, microwave, washing machines etc) has automated away everything that was unpleasant about running a household, leaving what is essentially a form of long-term holiday, paid for by hubby. This is the primary reason for alimony: allowing women to stay on paid-for long-term holiday, and it's also the reason why men work so much more then women, because they have to. Look at alimony more progressive countries, e.g. Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_law_in_Sweden#Maintenance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_law_in_Sweden#Maintena.... (3) Why should there be "some bias in favor of mothers"? That sounds pretty sexist. (4) Why should not "male singles [...] decide what is and isn't fair in divorce law"? After all they are forced to foot the bill. Is there some metaphysical law in place that grants women exclusive rights to decide in matters of family and sexuality?

icebraining 12y ago
(4) Why should not "male singles [...] decide what is and isn't fair in divorce law"? After all they are forced to foot the bill. Is there some metaphysical law in place that grants women exclusive rights to decide in matters of family and sexuality? I agree, but that's already the case, since virtually all legislators are men.
moe 12y ago
The majority of women do not give up on their career. They voluntarily choose to escape the rat race that and lead a life mostly of leisure. What qualifies you to judge "the majority of women"? Have you talked to all of them? There is nothing in biology that prevents women from going back to work the day after delivery You are disgusting. Why should there be "some bias in favor of mothers"? That sounds pretty sexist. Because men can not get children. And because there's a bit more to having a child than "delivering and then going back to work".
- Dylan16807 12y ago
  >>There is nothing in biology that prevents women from going back to work the day after delivery >You are disgusting. Whoa now. I won't say I agree with the entire comment, but I don't see the problem with that line. At least if "day" is changed to "week". What is "disgusting" about, for example, having the father at home raising the newborn while the mother works?
  - moe 12y ago
    At least if "day" is changed to "week". He wrote "day" and not "week". What is "disgusting" about, for example, having the father at home raising the newborn while the mother works? Nothing. That is a very different notion from the misogynist drivel that I was replying to ("majority of women", "life of leisure", "long-term holiday paid by hubby").
bayesianhorse 12y ago
(1) I didn't criticize the perspective, I merely said it sounds like coming from a man... No judgement there. (2) So much wrong there, no idea where to start. "Life mostly of leisure" is not what I and many others think of motherhood. How come stay-at-home mothers get burnout then? (3) I explained why I think that fathers should'nt have financial incentives to walk away from families they promised to take care of. That works out to a bias in favor of mothers. Deal with it. (4) Marriage is a contract, designed to make sure children can be raised in relative financial security. Relative at least to the situation of one parent vanishing into thin air because he stands to gain, financially. It's a very narrow interpretation to say that men "foot the bill". They married the woman, they are responsible for their children. Now is it fair for men to get a financial reward from walking away from their promises and obligations? I don't think so.