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More data would be nice to have. In lieu of that, I enjoyed Scott Adams' verdict on gender bias: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/114055529676/my-verdict-on-gender-

by et1337 12y ago

More data would be nice to have. In lieu of that, I enjoyed Scott Adams' verdict on gender bias: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/114055529676/my-verdict-on-gender-bias-in-the-workplace http://blog.dilbert.com/post/114055529676/my-verdict-on-gend...

ceejayoz 12y ago
I'm not sure I'd trust the guy who wrote "The reality is that women are treated differently by society for exactly the same reason that children and the mentally handicapped are treated differently" on gender issues.
- shkkmo 12y ago
  I read a bit of his stuff and he seems reasonably cogent (with perhaps a bias towards ignoring the cultural basis of gender roles), but with a tendency for poorly considered word choices that get him into trouble. The full context for your quote is here: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/102881506316/im-a-what http://blog.dilbert.com/post/102881506316/im-a-what He addresses your direct quote explicitly lower down the page: "I realize I might take some heat for lumping women, children and the mentally handicapped in the same group. So I want to be perfectly clear. I’m not saying women are similar to either group. I’m saying that a man’s best strategy for dealing with each group is disturbingly similar."
  - Chinjut 12y ago
    Is there not still something condescending in proclaiming that a man's best strategy for dealing with women is to deal with them in the same way one would deal with children or the mentally handicapped? It sure seems condescending to me...
    - cbd1984 12y ago
      Sadly, assholes can be right, too. Having a good asshole filter doesn't mean you have a good 'this person is right' filter, or vice-versa.
  - untog 12y ago
    "I’m not saying women are similar to either group" I'm just lumping them together in the same group. Uh huh.
  - ossreality 12y ago
    Jesus Christ help you if you think that helps his case at all. Christ some men are hopeless.
- tomp 12y ago
  And he continues: > You don’t punch a mentally handicapped guy even if he punches you first. And you don’t argue when a women tells you she’s only making 80 cents to your dollar. It’s the path of least resistance. You save your energy for more important battles. Which is kind of a good point. I definitely don't argue with Christians about evolution because it's clearly a waste of time and I have more important things to do.
  - untog 12y ago
    ...a good point, horribly argued. You don't punch a mentally handicapped guy because he is mentally handicapped and is not responsible for what he is doing. How does that relate to a woman only making 80 cents on the dollar? It's an awful, awful analogy. The implication is that a mentally handicapped man shouldn't do what he does but can't be blamed because he isn't responsible. But women should complain about earning 80c on the dollar.
    - ossreality 12y ago
      How the flying fuck are you being downvoted. Just fucking kill me. I knew I should've never read this hread.
    - Scarfleece 12y ago
      You probably think you're doing women a favour with this nitpicky attitude, but it only trivializes the focus of the issues to the wording choice of a single fucking person. Let the little things slide.
      - untog 12y ago
        I'm not arrogant enough to think that "women" care one bit about what I'm doing. it only trivializes the focus of the issues to the wording choice of a single fucking person Have you been on Hacker News before?
    - tsotha 12y ago
      >How does that relate to a woman only making 80 cents on the dollar? Because women don't make 80 cents on the dollar, unless you think brain surgeons and hairdressers ought to make the same amount of money.
- Chinjut 12y ago
  I'm not sure why anyone gives Scott Adams credence as an expert on anything other than creating a fairly successful comic strip.
  - feybay 12y ago
    He seems to think things through and come to a lot of his conclusions logically. The parent comment illustrates this well. Just as PG is respected for opinions that aren't directly related to VC, people can be knowledgeable about things outside their main field of work. Also, nobody said Adams was an expert about feminism and the wage gap.

by et1337 12y ago

ceejayoz 12y ago

I'm not sure I'd trust the guy who wrote "The reality is that women are treated differently by society for exactly the same reason that children and the mentally handicapped are treated differently" on gender issues.

shkkmo 12y ago
I read a bit of his stuff and he seems reasonably cogent (with perhaps a bias towards ignoring the cultural basis of gender roles), but with a tendency for poorly considered word choices that get him into trouble. The full context for your quote is here: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/102881506316/im-a-what http://blog.dilbert.com/post/102881506316/im-a-what He addresses your direct quote explicitly lower down the page: "I realize I might take some heat for lumping women, children and the mentally handicapped in the same group. So I want to be perfectly clear. I’m not saying women are similar to either group. I’m saying that a man’s best strategy for dealing with each group is disturbingly similar."
- Chinjut 12y ago
  Is there not still something condescending in proclaiming that a man's best strategy for dealing with women is to deal with them in the same way one would deal with children or the mentally handicapped? It sure seems condescending to me...
  - cbd1984 12y ago
    Sadly, assholes can be right, too. Having a good asshole filter doesn't mean you have a good 'this person is right' filter, or vice-versa.
- untog 12y ago
  "I’m not saying women are similar to either group" I'm just lumping them together in the same group. Uh huh.
- ossreality 12y ago
  Jesus Christ help you if you think that helps his case at all. Christ some men are hopeless.
tomp 12y ago
And he continues: > You don’t punch a mentally handicapped guy even if he punches you first. And you don’t argue when a women tells you she’s only making 80 cents to your dollar. It’s the path of least resistance. You save your energy for more important battles. Which is kind of a good point. I definitely don't argue with Christians about evolution because it's clearly a waste of time and I have more important things to do.
- untog 12y ago
  ...a good point, horribly argued. You don't punch a mentally handicapped guy because he is mentally handicapped and is not responsible for what he is doing. How does that relate to a woman only making 80 cents on the dollar? It's an awful, awful analogy. The implication is that a mentally handicapped man shouldn't do what he does but can't be blamed because he isn't responsible. But women should complain about earning 80c on the dollar.
  - ossreality 12y ago
    How the flying fuck are you being downvoted. Just fucking kill me. I knew I should've never read this hread.
  - Scarfleece 12y ago
    You probably think you're doing women a favour with this nitpicky attitude, but it only trivializes the focus of the issues to the wording choice of a single fucking person. Let the little things slide.
    - untog 12y ago
      I'm not arrogant enough to think that "women" care one bit about what I'm doing. it only trivializes the focus of the issues to the wording choice of a single fucking person Have you been on Hacker News before?
  - tsotha 12y ago
    >How does that relate to a woman only making 80 cents on the dollar? Because women don't make 80 cents on the dollar, unless you think brain surgeons and hairdressers ought to make the same amount of money.
Chinjut 12y ago
I'm not sure why anyone gives Scott Adams credence as an expert on anything other than creating a fairly successful comic strip.
- feybay 12y ago
  He seems to think things through and come to a lot of his conclusions logically. The parent comment illustrates this well. Just as PG is respected for opinions that aren't directly related to VC, people can be knowledgeable about things outside their main field of work. Also, nobody said Adams was an expert about feminism and the wage gap.