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2013 article... You fall right into the posts topic. Latest maps show beginnings of a bustling city... Wiki show 2m pop. Chinese really believe in build it..

by sergers 12y ago

2013 article... You fall right into the posts topic. Latest maps show beginnings of a bustling city... Wiki show 2m pop. Chinese really believe in build it.. They will come...... Eventually in hordes.

seanmcdirmid 12y ago
Here is one from yesterday: http://gizmodo.com/4-instant-cities-that-are-still-completely-empty-1693270774 http://gizmodo.com/4-instant-cities-that-are-still-completel... Quote: >Today, the real-estate situation in Ordos has turned macabre. Video billboards along the city's major roadways display mug shots of fugitive developers who have skipped town, fleeing their debts. There are rumors about the dynamiting of buildings in Kangbashi: about owners of unoccupied apartment towers who hope to create value through destruction, reselling freshly cleared land to new investors.
- WalterSear 12y ago
  China is a big place, and the original article is a puff peice. I could see all the places described here growing furiously, while dozens more cities are lying empty and abandoned.
- fspeech 12y ago
  Yeah but if you read on you will find that that piece is actually based on an NYT story: http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/06/ordos-china-tourist-city/?_r=2 http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/06/ordos-china-to... The NYT piece itself is much more carefully hedged. The TL;DR by the reporter: "IN SHORT, ORDOS is not empty, but it is odd" A real estate bust implies that investors lost money but not necessarily a ghost town. Anyway the Ordos story was a lot more market driven than the other ones: for a while when coal price was dear Ordos boasted the highest per capita income in all of China. Also land is a lot cheaper in this unpopulated area.
  - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
    Developers in China that focus on 2nd and 3rd tier cities are doing very poorly right now. The problem is that property became a speculative investment and an inflation hedge, but true demand has yet to materialize. The people who need housing can't afford these apartments, those that can afford them don't need to live there. Ugh.
    - fspeech 12y ago
      Yeah they need the property tax real bad so at least investors will be incentivized to rent out their property instead of keeping their apartments vacant.
asmala 12y ago
The Wikipedia census data for Ordos is from 2010, i.e. well before the 2013 article. The ghost city proper is Kangbashi, a new development within Ordos intended to house 300,000 people. In early 2015, the population was estimated at 100,000, admittedly growing but still very much in keeping with the title ghost town.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangbashi_New_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangbashi_New_Area

by sergers 12y ago

seanmcdirmid 12y ago

Here is one from yesterday: http://gizmodo.com/4-instant-cities-that-are-still-completely-empty-1693270774 http://gizmodo.com/4-instant-cities-that-are-still-completel... Quote: >Today, the real-estate situation in Ordos has turned macabre. Video billboards along the city's major roadways display mug shots of fugitive developers who have skipped town, fleeing their debts. There are rumors about the dynamiting of buildings in Kangbashi: about owners of unoccupied apartment towers who hope to create value through destruction, reselling freshly cleared land to new investors.

WalterSear 12y ago
China is a big place, and the original article is a puff peice. I could see all the places described here growing furiously, while dozens more cities are lying empty and abandoned.
fspeech 12y ago
Yeah but if you read on you will find that that piece is actually based on an NYT story: http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/06/ordos-china-tourist-city/?_r=2 http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/06/ordos-china-to... The NYT piece itself is much more carefully hedged. The TL;DR by the reporter: "IN SHORT, ORDOS is not empty, but it is odd" A real estate bust implies that investors lost money but not necessarily a ghost town. Anyway the Ordos story was a lot more market driven than the other ones: for a while when coal price was dear Ordos boasted the highest per capita income in all of China. Also land is a lot cheaper in this unpopulated area.
- seanmcdirmid 12y ago
  Developers in China that focus on 2nd and 3rd tier cities are doing very poorly right now. The problem is that property became a speculative investment and an inflation hedge, but true demand has yet to materialize. The people who need housing can't afford these apartments, those that can afford them don't need to live there. Ugh.
  - fspeech 12y ago
    Yeah they need the property tax real bad so at least investors will be incentivized to rent out their property instead of keeping their apartments vacant.

asmala 12y ago

The Wikipedia census data for Ordos is from 2010, i.e. well before the 2013 article. The ghost city proper is Kangbashi, a new development within Ordos intended to house 300,000 people. In early 2015, the population was estimated at 100,000, admittedly growing but still very much in keeping with the title ghost town.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangbashi_New_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangbashi_New_Area