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Sam, you are reading my mind. My only job in life is to think about the developer on boarding experience. That includes how to get started, what you can do wi

Sam, you are reading my mind. My only job in life is to think about the developer on boarding experience. That includes how to get started, what you can do with it, community support, etc. You are spot on, and it's in the works.

oliverkofoed 17y ago
In my humble opinion, the biggest advantage of .net, is visual studio. For the on boarding experience, i think it's really worth putting emphasis on the fact that the free Express versions are really fully functional products for daily use.
- clistctrl 17y ago
  I would agree with that statement. I love Visual studio, its a great tool set. I use eclipse quite a lot, and on occasion I've been known to fire up netbeans.. but none of them seem as solid as visual studio does. Add in resharper and its an even more incredible platform.
- BrandonWatson 17y ago
  It's a funny thing...when people talk about iPhone development, many times they remard on the quality of the tools - specifically XCode. IMHO, XCode is good, but loses out in a comparison to Visual Studio Express. It's a really great, and free, offering. When you start from VIM, Emacs or even TextMate, XCode is going to look good. Starting from the Visual Studio experience makes XCode look less stellar.
  - jeremymcanally 17y ago
    Well I think most of its shortcomings are due more to paradigm rather than quality of the tool. I love Visual Studio and I learned GUI development on Windows using it, so the general concept "feels" natural to me because that's how I learned. On the other hand, XCode works well for the way the GUI system works on OS X (i.e., outlets, actions, etc.). I think it's a bit of Apples to Oranges, especially since (a) they view the GUI and code interaction quite differently and (b) .NET is managed whereas XCode's languages usually aren't, making the toolset behave differently (for example, the .NET debugger can do a lot more introspection than the XCode debugger can in some situations). In any event, I dig VS.NET and use it for any Windows development I do. But I think your perspective is skewed a bit. I came from VS to these other tools and love them, but I'm a bit of a simplicity nut so it might just be my preferred workflow. :)
dannyr 17y ago
Same here. Visual Studio is the best IDE I have used. I have been using Eclipse for Android and Django development. I know it is free but it doesn't even come close to VS.
- krakensden 17y ago
  Why would you use a full IDE for django development? The libraries don't seem big enough to justify it.
  - dannyr 17y ago
    Why not? Code completion, debugging tools, etc.

oliverkofoed 17y ago

In my humble opinion, the biggest advantage of .net, is visual studio. For the on boarding experience, i think it's really worth putting emphasis on the fact that the free Express versions are really fully functional products for daily use.

clistctrl 17y ago
I would agree with that statement. I love Visual studio, its a great tool set. I use eclipse quite a lot, and on occasion I've been known to fire up netbeans.. but none of them seem as solid as visual studio does. Add in resharper and its an even more incredible platform.
BrandonWatson 17y ago
It's a funny thing...when people talk about iPhone development, many times they remard on the quality of the tools - specifically XCode. IMHO, XCode is good, but loses out in a comparison to Visual Studio Express. It's a really great, and free, offering. When you start from VIM, Emacs or even TextMate, XCode is going to look good. Starting from the Visual Studio experience makes XCode look less stellar.
- jeremymcanally 17y ago
  Well I think most of its shortcomings are due more to paradigm rather than quality of the tool. I love Visual Studio and I learned GUI development on Windows using it, so the general concept "feels" natural to me because that's how I learned. On the other hand, XCode works well for the way the GUI system works on OS X (i.e., outlets, actions, etc.). I think it's a bit of Apples to Oranges, especially since (a) they view the GUI and code interaction quite differently and (b) .NET is managed whereas XCode's languages usually aren't, making the toolset behave differently (for example, the .NET debugger can do a lot more introspection than the XCode debugger can in some situations). In any event, I dig VS.NET and use it for any Windows development I do. But I think your perspective is skewed a bit. I came from VS to these other tools and love them, but I'm a bit of a simplicity nut so it might just be my preferred workflow. :)

dannyr 17y ago

Same here. Visual Studio is the best IDE I have used. I have been using Eclipse for Android and Django development. I know it is free but it doesn't even come close to VS.

krakensden 17y ago
Why would you use a full IDE for django development? The libraries don't seem big enough to justify it.
- dannyr 17y ago
  Why not? Code completion, debugging tools, etc.