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It was called Closure before Rich announced Clojure to the world.

flatline 17y ago
"Closure" being a general concept in programming, I always disliked the name "Clojure". Same thing as Google Chrome, everyone is now confused when you talk about browser chrome as a general thing.
- yason 17y ago
  Naming is a pretty powerful thing. If you name your crap with regular nouns, what's left for others there? Like, suppose you build a crappy GUI system and just dub everything based on simple self-describing words such as windows, word, notepad, internet explorer, you might end up wildly successful yet for reasons other than technical superiority.
- jriddycuz 17y ago
  I agree that "Clojure" is kinda a silly name, but what else are you gonna call it? I assume Henly wanted a name that conveyed its functional and/or Lisp roots, and the fact that it's on the JVM. Let's try some names using the usual JVM language conventions: JLisp works, but it's boring, and Jisp sounds kinda suspect. Parenjases is just silly. Or maybe LLBeans for "lazy lisp beans"...but that's just getting too cute. I think I probably would have gone with Jambda.
  - logicalmind 17y ago
    In case people are wondering, here is how the Clojure name came about: "Clojure is pronounced the same as the word "closure". The creator of the language, Rich Hickey, explains the name this way: "I wanted to involve C (C#), L (Lisp) and J (Java). Once I came up with Clojure, given the pun on closure, the available domains and vast emptiness of the googlespace, it was an easy decision."" At least this is how it is outlined in this document: http://java.ociweb.com/mark/clojure/article.html http://java.ociweb.com/mark/clojure/article.html
  - adriand 17y ago
    "what else are you gonna call it?" How about "Armadillo"?
    - oliverkofoed 17y ago
      Years ago, i wrote a compressor for javascript. I called it "Arnold" because it was strong and squeezed javascript into a smaller shape.
ynniv 17y ago
Thats a terrible argument... He did indeed "announce Clojure to the world" before Google did, and now we all associate the phonetic name with him. Treat "closure" as a project name and pick a different product name, Google.
- s3graham 17y ago
  What about http://www.clozure.com/clozurecl.html http://www.clozure.com/clozurecl.html? I believe it was Clozure before Clojure was released (but I could be wrong).
  - mahmud 17y ago
    How about the Closure web browser which predates both Clozure and Clojure? http://www.cliki.net/Closure http://www.cliki.net/Closure
gojomo 17y ago
Even without the near-collision with 'Clojure', the full-collision with the 'closure' concept is problematic. They should prepend or append a 'G' or 'JS' for clarity (to both humans and indexers). EG: GClosure, JSClosure, ClosureG, or ClosureJS

"Closure" being a general concept in programming, I always disliked the name "Clojure". Same thing as Google Chrome, everyone is now confused when you talk about browser chrome as a general thing.

yason 17y ago
Naming is a pretty powerful thing. If you name your crap with regular nouns, what's left for others there? Like, suppose you build a crappy GUI system and just dub everything based on simple self-describing words such as windows, word, notepad, internet explorer, you might end up wildly successful yet for reasons other than technical superiority.
jriddycuz 17y ago
I agree that "Clojure" is kinda a silly name, but what else are you gonna call it? I assume Henly wanted a name that conveyed its functional and/or Lisp roots, and the fact that it's on the JVM. Let's try some names using the usual JVM language conventions: JLisp works, but it's boring, and Jisp sounds kinda suspect. Parenjases is just silly. Or maybe LLBeans for "lazy lisp beans"...but that's just getting too cute. I think I probably would have gone with Jambda.
- logicalmind 17y ago
  In case people are wondering, here is how the Clojure name came about: "Clojure is pronounced the same as the word "closure". The creator of the language, Rich Hickey, explains the name this way: "I wanted to involve C (C#), L (Lisp) and J (Java). Once I came up with Clojure, given the pun on closure, the available domains and vast emptiness of the googlespace, it was an easy decision."" At least this is how it is outlined in this document: http://java.ociweb.com/mark/clojure/article.html http://java.ociweb.com/mark/clojure/article.html
- adriand 17y ago
  "what else are you gonna call it?" How about "Armadillo"?
  - oliverkofoed 17y ago
    Years ago, i wrote a compressor for javascript. I called it "Arnold" because it was strong and squeezed javascript into a smaller shape.

ynniv 17y ago

Thats a terrible argument... He did indeed "announce Clojure to the world" before Google did, and now we all associate the phonetic name with him. Treat "closure" as a project name and pick a different product name, Google.

s3graham 17y ago
What about http://www.clozure.com/clozurecl.html http://www.clozure.com/clozurecl.html? I believe it was Clozure before Clojure was released (but I could be wrong).
- mahmud 17y ago
  How about the Closure web browser which predates both Clozure and Clojure? http://www.cliki.net/Closure http://www.cliki.net/Closure

gojomo 17y ago

Even without the near-collision with 'Clojure', the full-collision with the 'closure' concept is problematic. They should prepend or append a 'G' or 'JS' for clarity (to both humans and indexers). EG: GClosure, JSClosure, ClosureG, or ClosureJS