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A lot of "tech kids", myself included, are immigrants and can't vote. And, on a separate note, it's ridiculous that I have lived here for over 4 years and paid
by GuiA 12y ago
A lot of "tech kids", myself included, are immigrants and can't vote.
And, on a separate note, it's ridiculous that I have lived here for over 4 years and paid hundreds of thousands in taxes but do not have any way to influence the democratic process (it is equally ridiculous that I can still vote in my home country despite not setting foot there for more than 2 weeks per year for the past 6 years and not contributing to its economy at all. The current definition of citizenship is completely outdated in the globalized world)
- Kalium 12y agoAlso, a lot of "tech kids" like myself aren't in SF proper and thus can't vote on things like SF rent control. It's amazing how privilege acts to protect itself.
- superuser2 12y agoI'm sorry, what? Why should you be able to vote on a government that doesn't have jurisdiction over you? Remember that SF is an anomaly. Generally it's the wealthy in the suburbs and the underprivileged in the city. Suburbanites voting on urban policy (in general) is the last thing you should support if you are concerned about privilege.
- Kalium 12y agoWe can't afford to live and vote in the city where we work because those with privilege have used it to push us out.
- dasil003 12y ago> * Remember that SF is an anomaly. Generally it's the wealthy in the suburbs and the underprivileged in the city. * It's not an anomaly, it's a trend.
- hueving 12y ago>Generally it's the wealthy in the suburbs and the underprivileged in the city. That's why rent in Manhattan is so cheap.
- superuser2 12y agoSF, New York, maybe parts of Chicago. Consider the entire middle of the country.
- gerbal 12y agoSo vote in your community. Every municipality in the Bay Area has its own problems, mostly various forms of NIMBYism. You can make a difference where you live.
- toephu2 12y ago"it's ridiculous that I have lived here for over 4 years and paid hundreds of thousands in taxes but do not have any way to influence the democratic process" really? what about the reverse? Can I easily become a citizen of your country if I moved and worked there for 4 years? Most countries don't even have options for immigrants to become true naturalized citizens of that country, in this regard, America is actually pretty progressive.
- dalyons 12y agoOff the top of my head, Australia, new zealand, Canada, uk & Germany are all shorter(# years) and far easier(difficulty of visas, crap you have to put up with) to naturalize/obtain citizenship. The US is one of the least progressive western countries immigration-wise.
- Too 12y agoHow is the reverse process relevant? That kind of mentality is just like "its ok to break the law because everyone else does it!!1"
- hkmurakami 12y agoThere are more responsibilities of citizenship than just paying taxes. I actually tell my H1B friends that getting a green card but not naturalizing is likely their best ROI.
- klipt 12y agoThe upside of citizenship is you can travel outside the US for more than six months without losing it. Green cards can be quite easily lost if your company wants to move you overseas for a while.
- hkmurakami 12y agoYou can file for exemptions.