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You're wrong- treaties are not only law, but they trump the constitution. Your link involves a technicality in a particular treaty, not treaties in general. "T

You're wrong- treaties are not only law, but they trump the constitution. Your link involves a technicality in a particular treaty, not treaties in general. "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land" is the usual money quote.

philwelch 17y ago
They don't "trump" the constitution so much as they are co-equal with it.
- joe_the_user 17y ago
  "Trump" usually has the meaning of supersede. I think the GP quote makes it clear ratified treaties supersede other provisions of the constitution - "shall be the supreme Law of the Land" seems pretty clear.
  - philwelch 17y ago
    No, that's my point--ratified treaties don't supersede the Constitution, and a careful reading of the Constitution doesn't allow for them to.
lucumo 17y ago
Most countries require ratification of treaties by the representatives of the people. Is this not so in the US?
- Dobbs 17y ago
  Yes I think it is 2/3rds of the senate.
  - sscheper 17y ago
    Really, the only way I know how to make a living is online. This would definitely change things. But the more I think of it, I believe we'll be alright. Those in the web space have a certain scrappiness to them. I've always disliked rules and bureaucracy. That's why I'm here, and not in a Fortune 500 or jerking off politicians. I find a way to scoot around bullshit rules now, and I'll scoot around them if this is passed. Most people I know and work with have one thing in common: their job is to make disruptive technology that people love. Rules or no rules, nothing can stop them, as long as they have the best interest of the user in mind. Nothing can change that.
- DrJokepu 17y ago
  According to a Freedom House report (http://freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=463 http://freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=463), only about 50-60 countries can be classified as "democratic" or "free", so I think saying "many" countries instead of "most" would be more appropriate.
- CapitalistCartr 17y ago
  No, we require it of the Senate. (sighs)
- UncleOxidant 17y ago
  No, our treaties are ratified by representatives of corporations. Corporations buy reps and those reps vote for laws proposed by the corporations.

philwelch 17y ago

They don't "trump" the constitution so much as they are co-equal with it.

joe_the_user 17y ago
"Trump" usually has the meaning of supersede. I think the GP quote makes it clear ratified treaties supersede other provisions of the constitution - "shall be the supreme Law of the Land" seems pretty clear.
- philwelch 17y ago
  No, that's my point--ratified treaties don't supersede the Constitution, and a careful reading of the Constitution doesn't allow for them to.

lucumo 17y ago

Most countries require ratification of treaties by the representatives of the people. Is this not so in the US?

Dobbs 17y ago
Yes I think it is 2/3rds of the senate.
- sscheper 17y ago
  Really, the only way I know how to make a living is online. This would definitely change things. But the more I think of it, I believe we'll be alright. Those in the web space have a certain scrappiness to them. I've always disliked rules and bureaucracy. That's why I'm here, and not in a Fortune 500 or jerking off politicians. I find a way to scoot around bullshit rules now, and I'll scoot around them if this is passed. Most people I know and work with have one thing in common: their job is to make disruptive technology that people love. Rules or no rules, nothing can stop them, as long as they have the best interest of the user in mind. Nothing can change that.
DrJokepu 17y ago
According to a Freedom House report (http://freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=463 http://freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=463), only about 50-60 countries can be classified as "democratic" or "free", so I think saying "many" countries instead of "most" would be more appropriate.
CapitalistCartr 17y ago
No, we require it of the Senate. (sighs)
UncleOxidant 17y ago
No, our treaties are ratified by representatives of corporations. Corporations buy reps and those reps vote for laws proposed by the corporations.