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"Back end" is typically used to refer to web development as well, so I'm not sure if I misunderstood you, or you misunderstood the term. Web has "back end" (rub

by mod 12y ago

"Back end" is typically used to refer to web development as well, so I'm not sure if I misunderstood you, or you misunderstood the term. Web has "back end" (ruby/rails) and "front end" (html/css/javascript). With a lot of the latest developments there's a lot of overlap in job descriptions. That is really enough, yes. That's nearly "full stack." You're going to learn some sql while learning rails, and you're going to have to learn enough to deploy somewhere (I recommend heroku to start). Basically you should teach yourself how to build essentialy any CRUD app (blogs, wikis, basic twitter, news site, hacker news, reddit, etc). When you can do that, you're employable--and probably well above average, honestly. There will still be TONS of stuff to learn after that, but there won't be any reason for you to not get typical web-development jobs.

orlandob 12y ago
>>Basically you should teach yourself how to build essentialy any CRUD app (blogs, wikis, basic twitter, news site, hacker news, reddit, etc). When you can do that, you're employable--and probably well above average, honestly. That's a tall order to become barely employable. I'm guessing this is written from a Silicon Valley / SF market perspective?
- richardjordan 12y ago
  Barely employable? ...Ruby/Rails/Full Stack jobs are so hard to fill it's insane. Starting salaries are in the $130-150k range for mid-level $150k plus for senior and even junior level is a six figure gig. Sure it'll take time to get to a hirable state but it's perfectly doable.
  - orlandob 12y ago
    I've added the full quote to my post.
    - mod 12y ago
      It's not "barely employable," and that's not what I said it was. Rather, it's a solid entry-level position at most agencies. Also I don't think it's that tall of an order. These "bootcamps" are (arguably) cranking out graduates that (supposedly) know how to do that. I taught myself over something like a year of spare time (I was in high school), although this was pre-frameworks. Also pre-really-good-tutorials. Last, I've never been west of Oklahoma. I don't know what your "perspective" comment is on about.

by mod 12y ago

orlandob 12y ago

>>Basically you should teach yourself how to build essentialy any CRUD app (blogs, wikis, basic twitter, news site, hacker news, reddit, etc). When you can do that, you're employable--and probably well above average, honestly. That's a tall order to become barely employable. I'm guessing this is written from a Silicon Valley / SF market perspective?

richardjordan 12y ago
Barely employable? ...Ruby/Rails/Full Stack jobs are so hard to fill it's insane. Starting salaries are in the $130-150k range for mid-level $150k plus for senior and even junior level is a six figure gig. Sure it'll take time to get to a hirable state but it's perfectly doable.
- orlandob 12y ago
  I've added the full quote to my post.
  - mod 12y ago
    It's not "barely employable," and that's not what I said it was. Rather, it's a solid entry-level position at most agencies. Also I don't think it's that tall of an order. These "bootcamps" are (arguably) cranking out graduates that (supposedly) know how to do that. I taught myself over something like a year of spare time (I was in high school), although this was pre-frameworks. Also pre-really-good-tutorials. Last, I've never been west of Oklahoma. I don't know what your "perspective" comment is on about.