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Every time I see anything related to Less Wrong all I can think of is Roko's Basilisk and I can't stop laughing.

TeMPOraL 12y ago
Every time I see your nickname all I can think of is that time you got drunk and puked on the floor. I'm joking of course, but that and your comment are equally smart ways of evaluating other people's deeds and ideas.
- zyxley 12y ago
  We have no way to know if homulilly got drunk and puked on the floor in public, but we do know that Yudkowsky and assorted Lesswrong visitors had a reaction to the Roko's basilisk concept that most relatively "normal" people would judge as embarrassing or humorous.
  - TeMPOraL 12y ago
    That was one situation in the long history of a community with high standards of reasoning and discussion, that produces tons of interesting and educative content. Are you really going to judge the whole community by a single overreaction they AFAIR later admitted was an overreaction?
    - homulilly 12y ago
      I'm not really saying anything about the community other than my own immediate reaction to it. I've read a bit of hpmor and found it fairly entertaining in an Ayn Rand sort of way but I have trouble investing the time required in online fiction as vast as it is and I've found the fanbase to be fairly obnoxious in my personal interactions. For the record, while I wont deny that I've had more to drink than I could handle in the past, I've always made it to the toilet in time to avoid any public embarrassment.
    - Dylan16807 12y ago
      As far as I know Yudkowsky still treats it, or at least something 'near it in idea-space' very seriously. It's not in the past.
zyxley 12y ago
But now that we know it exists, you've doomed us all! You fiend!
- davidgerard 12y ago
  Losing "The Game" As A Service.
rndn 12y ago
Isn't there a name for the fallacy when one hastily generalizes over entire online communities?
jeffreyrogers 12y ago
Here's what the parent is referring to http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LessWrong#Roko.27s_Basilisk http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LessWrong#Roko.27s_Basilisk. I'm in agreement regarding the absurdity and group think of Less Wrong, for reasons that aren't that relevant to this thread. That said, HPMOR is a fairly entertaining read, once you can get past the feeling that you're having an ideology forced on you through Harry's point of view. The book reminds me of things Ayn Rand has written in that sense.
- qrendel 12y ago
  That fairly hostile "article" is not accurate and the basilisk portion has already been responded to previously by Yudkowsky. See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/xkcd/comments/2myg86/xkcd_1450_aibox_experiment/cm8vn6e https://www.reddit.com/r/xkcd/comments/2myg86/xkcd_1450_aibo...
  - davidgerard 12y ago
    I have repeatedly asked for a list of the inaccuracies, since I substantially wrote, researched and cited the article http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk . Yudkowsky called me a LYING LIAR WHO LIES LIES LIES but the only claim of an actual lie he could come up with was where it said this was an incentive to donate to MIRI. Given that the original Basilisk post and the preceding post were literally about how to come up with lots of money to donate to MIRI (then SIAI), I'm not really willing to accept that as a lie. For the claim of inaccuracies: that article is cited to the phrase level for good reason. If you're claiming inaccuracies, you're going to need actual details of why the cites are wrong.
    - deleted 12y ago
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  - Eliezer 12y ago
    (FYI: If you follow qrendel's above link to /r/XKCD you'll see a detailed list of the false claims in the RationalWiki article as they existed at that time. After repeatedly being provided such lists, David Gerard claims every time that no list of false claims have ever been provided him. Checking the XKCD link will show you that this is outright and verifiably false.)
davidgerard 12y ago
Note that Timeless Decision Theory is alluded to in HPMOR, for on-topic relevance of R-k-'s B-s-l-sk (chapter 14). http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/98528318928/bartlebyshop-i-suspect-this-is-the-beginning-of http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/98528318928/bartlebyshop-i-s...

Every time I see your nickname all I can think of is that time you got drunk and puked on the floor. I'm joking of course, but that and your comment are equally smart ways of evaluating other people's deeds and ideas.

zyxley 12y ago
We have no way to know if homulilly got drunk and puked on the floor in public, but we do know that Yudkowsky and assorted Lesswrong visitors had a reaction to the Roko's basilisk concept that most relatively "normal" people would judge as embarrassing or humorous.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  That was one situation in the long history of a community with high standards of reasoning and discussion, that produces tons of interesting and educative content. Are you really going to judge the whole community by a single overreaction they AFAIR later admitted was an overreaction?
  - homulilly 12y ago
    I'm not really saying anything about the community other than my own immediate reaction to it. I've read a bit of hpmor and found it fairly entertaining in an Ayn Rand sort of way but I have trouble investing the time required in online fiction as vast as it is and I've found the fanbase to be fairly obnoxious in my personal interactions. For the record, while I wont deny that I've had more to drink than I could handle in the past, I've always made it to the toilet in time to avoid any public embarrassment.
  - Dylan16807 12y ago
    As far as I know Yudkowsky still treats it, or at least something 'near it in idea-space' very seriously. It's not in the past.

zyxley 12y ago

But now that we know it exists, you've doomed us all! You fiend!

davidgerard 12y ago
Losing "The Game" As A Service.

rndn 12y ago

Isn't there a name for the fallacy when one hastily generalizes over entire online communities?

jeffreyrogers 12y ago

Here's what the parent is referring to http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LessWrong#Roko.27s_Basilisk http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LessWrong#Roko.27s_Basilisk. I'm in agreement regarding the absurdity and group think of Less Wrong, for reasons that aren't that relevant to this thread. That said, HPMOR is a fairly entertaining read, once you can get past the feeling that you're having an ideology forced on you through Harry's point of view. The book reminds me of things Ayn Rand has written in that sense.

qrendel 12y ago
That fairly hostile "article" is not accurate and the basilisk portion has already been responded to previously by Yudkowsky. See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/xkcd/comments/2myg86/xkcd_1450_aibox_experiment/cm8vn6e https://www.reddit.com/r/xkcd/comments/2myg86/xkcd_1450_aibo...
- davidgerard 12y ago
  I have repeatedly asked for a list of the inaccuracies, since I substantially wrote, researched and cited the article http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk . Yudkowsky called me a LYING LIAR WHO LIES LIES LIES but the only claim of an actual lie he could come up with was where it said this was an incentive to donate to MIRI. Given that the original Basilisk post and the preceding post were literally about how to come up with lots of money to donate to MIRI (then SIAI), I'm not really willing to accept that as a lie. For the claim of inaccuracies: that article is cited to the phrase level for good reason. If you're claiming inaccuracies, you're going to need actual details of why the cites are wrong.
  - deleted 12y ago
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- Eliezer 12y ago
  (FYI: If you follow qrendel's above link to /r/XKCD you'll see a detailed list of the false claims in the RationalWiki article as they existed at that time. After repeatedly being provided such lists, David Gerard claims every time that no list of false claims have ever been provided him. Checking the XKCD link will show you that this is outright and verifiably false.)

davidgerard 12y ago

Note that Timeless Decision Theory is alluded to in HPMOR, for on-topic relevance of R-k-'s B-s-l-sk (chapter 14). http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/98528318928/bartlebyshop-i-suspect-this-is-the-beginning-of http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/post/98528318928/bartlebyshop-i-s...