5 ms·

Assuming government resources are needed to be spent to help resolve this, would they not be put to better use helping individuals relocate to somewhere sustain

Assuming government resources are needed to be spent to help resolve this, would they not be put to better use helping individuals relocate to somewhere sustainable (especially those who would be making a living wage elsewhere) than to subsidize the difference year after year?

nsnick 12y ago
Lets not forget that these people would be middle class anywhere else.
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > Lets not forget that these people would be middle class anywhere else. If they could magically keep their Bay Area income while being anywhere else, they might be. But since they can't actually do that, I'm not sure what relevance that has.
  - reneherse 12y ago
    This assumes all levels of income are inflated equally, which they are not.
    - dragonwriter 12y ago
      No, it doesn't. It just assumes that people can't magically take their income with them when they leave. Even if the 10th percentile income is the same as in the Bay Area in some place where the average income and cost of living is lower than the Bay Area, that doesn't mean that someone in the 10th percentile in the Bay Area can move to that location and keep their income (or any income at all.)
Frondo 12y ago
I wonder if anyone's asked those poor people what they want. I've seen a few commenters here suggesting using government money to ship 'em out, or retrain or job-place them, but I wonder: what do the poor in Silicon Valley want for their lives? Do they want to be shipped out? To be retrained? Better wages? Cheaper housing? These are people, after all, and are worthy of being involved in any discussion concerning their fate.
- Lawtonfogle 12y ago
  I'm in no way limiting their choices. I am merely discussing the limits that should be put to best utilize limited government resources. If they do not like those limits, they do not have to accept the aid.
  - Frondo 12y ago
    That doesn't address my basic point at all: what do they want for their lives?
    - Lawtonfogle 12y ago
      Your base point is a question? I assume you meant that your base point is something we should do with the answer to that question. Could you please restate your base point so I do not have to guess what that something is?
      - Frondo 12y ago
        My point is, what these folks want for their lives matters in a discussion concerning their lives. You've said, ship 'em out! Retrain them! If they don't want to do those things, do nothing. What I'm going for is: ask them, too. It makes very little sense to try to have a conversation about solving a community's problem without listening to members of that community.
        Lawtonfogle 12y ago

nsnick 12y ago

Lets not forget that these people would be middle class anywhere else.

deleted 12y ago
[deleted]
dragonwriter 12y ago
> Lets not forget that these people would be middle class anywhere else. If they could magically keep their Bay Area income while being anywhere else, they might be. But since they can't actually do that, I'm not sure what relevance that has.
- reneherse 12y ago
  This assumes all levels of income are inflated equally, which they are not.
  - dragonwriter 12y ago
    No, it doesn't. It just assumes that people can't magically take their income with them when they leave. Even if the 10th percentile income is the same as in the Bay Area in some place where the average income and cost of living is lower than the Bay Area, that doesn't mean that someone in the 10th percentile in the Bay Area can move to that location and keep their income (or any income at all.)

Frondo 12y ago

I wonder if anyone's asked those poor people what they want. I've seen a few commenters here suggesting using government money to ship 'em out, or retrain or job-place them, but I wonder: what do the poor in Silicon Valley want for their lives? Do they want to be shipped out? To be retrained? Better wages? Cheaper housing? These are people, after all, and are worthy of being involved in any discussion concerning their fate.

Lawtonfogle 12y ago
I'm in no way limiting their choices. I am merely discussing the limits that should be put to best utilize limited government resources. If they do not like those limits, they do not have to accept the aid.
- Frondo 12y ago
  That doesn't address my basic point at all: what do they want for their lives?
  - Lawtonfogle 12y ago
    Your base point is a question? I assume you meant that your base point is something we should do with the answer to that question. Could you please restate your base point so I do not have to guess what that something is?
    - Frondo 12y ago
      My point is, what these folks want for their lives matters in a discussion concerning their lives. You've said, ship 'em out! Retrain them! If they don't want to do those things, do nothing. What I'm going for is: ask them, too. It makes very little sense to try to have a conversation about solving a community's problem without listening to members of that community.
      - Lawtonfogle 12y ago