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“It was said that if there were women there, that the conversation would be tempered, and it was because women kill the buzz” What alternate planet are these g

“It was said that if there were women there, that the conversation would be tempered, and it was because women kill the buzz” What alternate planet are these guys living on? A mixed crowd is always more interesting in my book, that goes for personal and professional get-togethers.

r00fus 12y ago
I've been in meetings and cultures years before where your attitude (which I share) was not the prevailing atmosphere. In those places, I could imagine women feeling like a hen in a fox's den.
rodgerd 12y ago
"Yeah, we're going to talk about how to do business successfully, but we don't want to include any women because our success doesn't depend in any way on half the planet."
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ripb 12y ago
Fuck this site
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pbhjpbhj 12y ago
FWIW women too like single sex gatherings. Source: work in hospitality and get request for "no male servers" or specific female hosts. It seems in the OP that it's a social gathering??
- jakejake 12y ago
  There's nothing wrong with a girls or guys night out. When it's a work-related function that's quite a different story.
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    > When it's a work-related function // Was it? It wasn't clear but seemed like it wasn't any more work-related than work being the way the attendees met? Hence the question in my comment. If it's work sponsored (your work is paying for attendance) then you'd be absolutely right. But if it's just a hen-do for work colleagues then men wouldn't have a right to be there by virtue of employment; and vice-versa of course.
hueving 12y ago
Basically the entire business culture of the 80s and before was horrifically offensive to women. Anyone that wants to cling onto that will definitely have to temper their behavior around women today.
hudibras 12y ago
"What alternate planet are these guys living on?" And do they think that they're going to have a meeting with the former Vice President of the United States and he's not going to notice that there's no women in the room and not think that something's amiss? I've been in meet-and-greet style meetings with VPOTUS-level U.S. government officials and outside Silicon Valley it's exactly the opposite: we make sure that there's a representative sample of our employees and not just a bunch of senior guys.
throwaway54984 12y ago
More interesting doesn't necessarily mean more productive.
ElComradio 12y ago
Believe it or not, sometimes people like going out and not being constantly on guard censoring themselves. Your solution seems to be that everyone must be included at all times and the conversation reduced to the lowest common denominator.
yitchelle 12y ago
Agreed. Maybe they have organised a poker night, ordered pizza in, and maybe catch the football game on the TV later on. <end sarcasm>
MollyR 12y ago
I feel the same way, but I often have encountered women only spaces quite a bit. Some of my friends like them, and call them safe spaces. I'm not defending the practice, but I can see how it's not that strange that a gender would feel safer or at ease in a gender exclusive setting.
belorn 12y ago
The same alternate planet where parents refuse to have children in preschools that got male teachers, as they are scared that the male teachers will be pedophiles. Some people do not (but should) think rational when dealing with the subject of gender diversity.

r00fus 12y ago

I've been in meetings and cultures years before where your attitude (which I share) was not the prevailing atmosphere. In those places, I could imagine women feeling like a hen in a fox's den.

rodgerd 12y ago

"Yeah, we're going to talk about how to do business successfully, but we don't want to include any women because our success doesn't depend in any way on half the planet."

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ripb 12y ago

Fuck this site

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pbhjpbhj 12y ago

FWIW women too like single sex gatherings. Source: work in hospitality and get request for "no male servers" or specific female hosts. It seems in the OP that it's a social gathering??

jakejake 12y ago
There's nothing wrong with a girls or guys night out. When it's a work-related function that's quite a different story.
- pbhjpbhj 12y ago
  > When it's a work-related function // Was it? It wasn't clear but seemed like it wasn't any more work-related than work being the way the attendees met? Hence the question in my comment. If it's work sponsored (your work is paying for attendance) then you'd be absolutely right. But if it's just a hen-do for work colleagues then men wouldn't have a right to be there by virtue of employment; and vice-versa of course.

hueving 12y ago

Basically the entire business culture of the 80s and before was horrifically offensive to women. Anyone that wants to cling onto that will definitely have to temper their behavior around women today.

hudibras 12y ago

"What alternate planet are these guys living on?" And do they think that they're going to have a meeting with the former Vice President of the United States and he's not going to notice that there's no women in the room and not think that something's amiss? I've been in meet-and-greet style meetings with VPOTUS-level U.S. government officials and outside Silicon Valley it's exactly the opposite: we make sure that there's a representative sample of our employees and not just a bunch of senior guys.

throwaway54984 12y ago

More interesting doesn't necessarily mean more productive.

ElComradio 12y ago

Believe it or not, sometimes people like going out and not being constantly on guard censoring themselves. Your solution seems to be that everyone must be included at all times and the conversation reduced to the lowest common denominator.

yitchelle 12y ago

Agreed. Maybe they have organised a poker night, ordered pizza in, and maybe catch the football game on the TV later on. <end sarcasm>

MollyR 12y ago

I feel the same way, but I often have encountered women only spaces quite a bit. Some of my friends like them, and call them safe spaces. I'm not defending the practice, but I can see how it's not that strange that a gender would feel safer or at ease in a gender exclusive setting.

belorn 12y ago

The same alternate planet where parents refuse to have children in preschools that got male teachers, as they are scared that the male teachers will be pedophiles. Some people do not (but should) think rational when dealing with the subject of gender diversity.