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On the contrary, ask.com is quite happy with this. They are paying Oracle, therefore they are the customer. You are not. This is really tragic, since the Java

by api 12y ago

On the contrary, ask.com is quite happy with this. They are paying Oracle, therefore they are the customer. You are not. This is really tragic, since the Java language and VM are nice pieces of technology. Unfortunately Oracle is killing them. I'd never use them for a new project now.

TeMPOraL 12y ago
Indeed. JVM used to be widely regarded as crap, and Java as a slow, bloated language. And while Java may still be a bit bloated, it's no longer slow, and JVM became an awesome piece of tech, bringing tons of real advances in things like garbage collection algorithms, and supporting a nice ecosystem of very powerful languages. So while Java managed to fix its reputation itself, Oracle is doing everything in their power to break it again.
- api 12y ago
  At least we have Ruby, Python, Node, and OpenJDK. They can't ruin every ecosystem.
  - TeMPOraL 12y ago
    Come to look at it, you have to work really hard to ruin a programming language. Kudos to Oracle for figuring out how to reach this almost impossible goal. s/.
mike_hearn 12y ago
I'd never use them for a new project now. Why not? There's a tool called javapackager that makes a self contained app install for Linux, Mac, Windows that doesn't require the user to install the JRE, if you're doing desktop projects. For servers this stuff is irrelevant anyway. Java is mostly open source too, so if you wanted to make your own system JRE installer setup, I guess you could (though OpenJDK isn't identical to the Oracle JRE).