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and Japan does not? (referring to the Nanking massacre) or rather what country doesn't?

by toephu2 12y ago

hkmurakami 12y ago
I went through both the US and Japanese systems concurrently. Both systems are working well, as intended.
- kazinator 12y ago
  Except that Johnny can barely read, while Shigeru can write 1500 kanji with his eyes closed. :)
  - adventured 12y ago
    Meanwhile Japan has a mere 22 nobel prizes since 1940. America has 330. Japan has seen zero economic growth for over 20 years. America's GDP has doubled in that time. America has the best universities, by far. Japan does not. America has the most productive, technologically advanced, large economy on earth. Japan has been stagnant for decades. Writing 1500 kanji with your eyes closed doesn't appear to be very useful in the real world.
    - excelphysicslab 12y ago
      For more than 100 years about one out of four American Nobel Prize winners were foreign born – and in the past 3 years, nearly half of American laureates were immigrants. Note that this does not include second/third generation immigrants.
      - adventured 12y ago
        Only one in four? I would have guessed higher. Albert Einstein also chose to become an American. What you're describing is the greatest honor a country can receive. There is no higher compliment, than the best and the brightest the world over seeking to immigrate to your shores. They have been seeking America out for centuries because it was and still is an immense land of opportunity.
- coupdejarnac 12y ago
  I'd love to read a writeup comparing and contrasting the two systems.
officer_gotcha 12y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
Mithaldu 12y ago
German school teachings don't defend anything. Instead they spend, for many students, roughly two years in a concentrated block of instilling guilt and horror over what happened in WW2.
- iopq 12y ago
  That's because they lost. The winners get to write history.
  - Mithaldu 12y ago
    Japan lost too, but, as much as i love the country, its people and its ideas, they have largely chosen to not teach their citizens that war did happen.
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      - Mithaldu 12y ago
        > Comparing the crimes of Germany and Japan during WWII is beyond ridiculous. I am not, i am talking about the difference of treatment of the entire event decades afterwards. > The entirety of Germany society turned into the KKK Saying this as a german: Haha, fuck you too buddy, you and the horse you rode in on. You are so unbelievably ignorant, or so harshly trolling, that you are a prime example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
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ekianjo 12y ago
There are certain stupid people among Abe's camp who pretend that nothing happened in Nanking, but as far as I know Japanese officials have apologized for the country's war crimes on several occasions. How about the US ? Have they ever recognized their (previous and ongoing) war crimes?
- dba7dba 12y ago
  German cities still have plagues/statues/memorials everywhere to remind people about the holocaust and the past. In Japan, you will not find a single prominently placed memorial to remind people about the wrongs Japan did, unfortunately. Even the few small ones that had been placed in country side have been taken down in recent months/years thanks to Abe. And interestingly, Abe's mother's ancestors are from Korea supposedly.
  - ekianjo 12y ago
    > German cities still have plagues/statues/memorials everywhere to remind people about the holocaust and the past I don't attribute much importance to monuments and statues. Do people actually care about them ? There were monuments to the ones who fell during 14-18 all over Europe and it did not prevent any of the European countries to enter a large scale bloody war all over again 20 years later. So what are the monuments good for?
    - dba7dba 12y ago
      Germany: Reminding one's population of the country's sins is the true sign of sincere apology. Japan: When you actively rewrite history books to hide your past sins, you cannot be apologizing sincerely.
      - ekianjo 12y ago
        > Japan: When you actively rewrite history books to hide your past sins, you cannot be apologizing sincerely. I agree with you on this, but if you think Japan is the only country rewriting history books my friend, you are deeply mistaken. Look at what US kids are taught about History, and cry.

and Japan does not? (referring to the Nanking massacre) or rather what country doesn't?

by toephu2 12y ago

and Japan does not? (referring to the Nanking massacre) or rather what country doesn't?

hkmurakami 12y ago

I went through both the US and Japanese systems concurrently. Both systems are working well, as intended.

kazinator 12y ago
Except that Johnny can barely read, while Shigeru can write 1500 kanji with his eyes closed. :)
- adventured 12y ago
  Meanwhile Japan has a mere 22 nobel prizes since 1940. America has 330. Japan has seen zero economic growth for over 20 years. America's GDP has doubled in that time. America has the best universities, by far. Japan does not. America has the most productive, technologically advanced, large economy on earth. Japan has been stagnant for decades. Writing 1500 kanji with your eyes closed doesn't appear to be very useful in the real world.
  - excelphysicslab 12y ago
    For more than 100 years about one out of four American Nobel Prize winners were foreign born – and in the past 3 years, nearly half of American laureates were immigrants. Note that this does not include second/third generation immigrants.
    - adventured 12y ago
      Only one in four? I would have guessed higher. Albert Einstein also chose to become an American. What you're describing is the greatest honor a country can receive. There is no higher compliment, than the best and the brightest the world over seeking to immigrate to your shores. They have been seeking America out for centuries because it was and still is an immense land of opportunity.
coupdejarnac 12y ago
I'd love to read a writeup comparing and contrasting the two systems.

officer_gotcha 12y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

Mithaldu 12y ago

German school teachings don't defend anything. Instead they spend, for many students, roughly two years in a concentrated block of instilling guilt and horror over what happened in WW2.

iopq 12y ago
That's because they lost. The winners get to write history.
- Mithaldu 12y ago
  Japan lost too, but, as much as i love the country, its people and its ideas, they have largely chosen to not teach their citizens that war did happen.
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      > Comparing the crimes of Germany and Japan during WWII is beyond ridiculous. I am not, i am talking about the difference of treatment of the entire event decades afterwards. > The entirety of Germany society turned into the KKK Saying this as a german: Haha, fuck you too buddy, you and the horse you rode in on. You are so unbelievably ignorant, or so harshly trolling, that you are a prime example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
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ekianjo 12y ago

There are certain stupid people among Abe's camp who pretend that nothing happened in Nanking, but as far as I know Japanese officials have apologized for the country's war crimes on several occasions. How about the US ? Have they ever recognized their (previous and ongoing) war crimes?

dba7dba 12y ago
German cities still have plagues/statues/memorials everywhere to remind people about the holocaust and the past. In Japan, you will not find a single prominently placed memorial to remind people about the wrongs Japan did, unfortunately. Even the few small ones that had been placed in country side have been taken down in recent months/years thanks to Abe. And interestingly, Abe's mother's ancestors are from Korea supposedly.
- ekianjo 12y ago
  > German cities still have plagues/statues/memorials everywhere to remind people about the holocaust and the past I don't attribute much importance to monuments and statues. Do people actually care about them ? There were monuments to the ones who fell during 14-18 all over Europe and it did not prevent any of the European countries to enter a large scale bloody war all over again 20 years later. So what are the monuments good for?
  - dba7dba 12y ago
    Germany: Reminding one's population of the country's sins is the true sign of sincere apology. Japan: When you actively rewrite history books to hide your past sins, you cannot be apologizing sincerely.
    - ekianjo 12y ago
      > Japan: When you actively rewrite history books to hide your past sins, you cannot be apologizing sincerely. I agree with you on this, but if you think Japan is the only country rewriting history books my friend, you are deeply mistaken. Look at what US kids are taught about History, and cry.