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Is it just me or did Kelly Ellis disappear from the front page?
What should I make of this? A complicit culture of silence? I feel sick, uneasy, and confused.
- deleted 12y ago[deleted]
- Implicated 12y agoI expected to see ongoing discussion about it today, instead this is the only post I'm seeing.
- cj 12y agoWho is Kelly Ellis?
- Implicated 12y agohttps://twitter.com/justkelly_ok https://twitter.com/justkelly_ok Her pinned tweet gives a pretty good indication of what's going on.
- bri3d 12y agoHN penalizes stories with more comments than votes ("flame war detector"). Between that and the inevitable flagging, stories about sexism and/or workplace harassment tend to die quickly on HN.
- lambda 12y agoYes, in my experience, this is the most likely reason that this article disappeared. I have a hard time deciding if this is a good policy or not. On the one hand, it does tend to mean that there are fewer flamewars showing up on the front page, and getting people sucked into endless debates that go nowhere. On the other hand, I feel like this works to sweep under the rug real problems that occur in this community. Rather than being able to expose and deal with such problems, once things become contentious they just disappear, leaving only the things that the community has more consensus on.
- xmpirate 12y agoare you talking about https://twitter.com/justkelly_ok https://twitter.com/justkelly_ok ?
- SpikedCola 12y agoIt appears to have been renamed to "Why didn't you back me up?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9163309 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9163309
- jttam 12y agoAlthough I don't know Kelly Ellis, I believe this is in reference to this: https://plus.google.com/+KellyEllis/posts/L4wawXpNt25 https://plus.google.com/+KellyEllis/posts/L4wawXpNt25 -- I am not actually trying to express an opinion on this, but that's the context from yesterday.
- eevilspock 12y agoThis will probably dissappear from the front page too. HN is biased strongly against meta posts. If that happens, that would tragically mirror the tech world's distaste for open and honest discussion of the issues women face in tech.
- dang 12y agoThe story was on the front page for many hours yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9163309 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9163309. It was reposted today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9165261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9165261. We would normally demote that as a duplicate, but we didn't. Users flagged it.
- tomp 12y agoThose are two different stories. IMO, the second one is much preferable, as it's an actual story, instead of just a 50-or-so-word G+ and Twitter post. I don't see why it should be considered a duplicate, though I guess if users flagged it, most of them disagreed.
- dang 12y agoThey aren't two different stories by the standards that normally apply on HN. They're about the same thing. It's true that the SF Weekly article gave more background than the Google+ post, but it was linked in yesterday's thread and the information in it was discussed there.
- Mikeb85 12y agoProbably got flagged to oblivion since: - She shamed her employer on social media with loose allegations - Judging by her Twitter history, she's a professional feminist troll Women do face issues in tech and every other industry, but incidents like Adria Richards or this just hurt womens' causes, and makes them riskier hires...
- georgiecasey 12y ago> A complicit culture of silence? I feel sick, uneasy, and confused. jesus, get the story right before jumping to conclusions
- MartinCron 12y agoI don't think "complicit culture of silence" is quite right as it implies more direct intent. It's more along the lines of "inability to have a difficult conversation". My personal stance is that even though this conversation is difficult, it's worth having. If we can't have it, who can?