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Replies so far for the lazy: On Sat, Mar 07, 2015 at 07:17:13PM +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > On 03/07/2015 06:38 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sat, 20

by jpgvm 12y ago

Replies so far for the lazy: On Sat, Mar 07, 2015 at 07:17:13PM +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > On 03/07/2015 06:38 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sat, 2015-03-07 at 16:09 +0100, D. F. wrote: > >> Hello, Julien Tinnes from google says that next releases of > >> chromium will drops support for kernels without TSYNC > >> ubuntu 14.10 already has been patched > >> Can I to expect that debian 8/jessie will have support for > >> TSYNC? > > Sounds like another good reason to not use Google spyware. > Google Chrome for Linux is the only possibility to use latest version > of Adobe flash player for Linux as far as I know. another good reason not to use it. -- maks I guess this is why Gentoo is still my distro of choice after all these years.

redthrowaway 12y ago
That seems like an exceedingly childish exchange.
- krick 12y ago
  It's common way to see things now, although I guess it's pretty normal. I always viewed distro as something people do primarily for themselves, if you want something from particular distro — you join the community. If your wishes are drastically different from what this community accepts — you go to another community or build your own. I'm not saying people should be rude and talk nonsense, but it seems that too many people tend to forget: Debian mailing list (or lkml, or what else people complain about) is not Starbucks or McDonalds where people are paid to smile and do what's requested. That's been said, I find question about TSYNC completely appropriate, and its support to be expected, but answer about "Google spyware" was funny and enjoyable anyway. So, yeah, maybe childish, but not "exceedingly childish".
- stingraycharles 12y ago
  I cannot believe these are the actual people responsible for Debian. Is this unprofessional attitude common in the Debian community?
  - eropple 12y ago
    No. More than it used to be, but it's not comon.
  - xai3luGi 12y ago
    Could you explain what you mean by "unprofessional" here? Personally Google's business model seems to be the unprofessional thing in this conversation.
    - jfoster 12y ago
      If Debian were a business and the original poster were one of their customers, how would the OP be feeling about that exchange? It's unprofessional by definition because it is so clear that the person responding does not consider this their profession.
      - adrusi 12y ago
        But it's not a business and that person wasn't a customer. Debian is a community, bound partially by common technical ideas about packaging, stability and security, and partially by philosophical ideas about Free software. Their goal is not to satisfy everyone who comes to their mailing list, that would be insanity.
        jfoster 12y ago
        Sure, but most people would consider the original poster's request as quite reasonable. Instead of considering it in a balanced way and producing a polite & considered response, the response was idealistic rhetoric. For better or worse, I think that does qualify the attitude of response as "unprofessional", as stingraycharles pointed out.
        chappi42 12y ago
        Google is the unprofessional one. Threaten to not support Jessie, hey? What an arrogant self-referred world Google lives in?
- honestthrowaway 12y ago
  To be fair Google's whole business model is based on spying on people to gather data for ad placement. If we're being entirely honest a browser which sends every url you visit to Google by default is spyware.
  - yuhong 12y ago
    It is very off topic too.
    - honestthrowaway 12y ago
      Not really. You have to see the supreme irony in a company which is ditching suppport for very recent kernels in the name of security when the app in question is designed primarily to spy on your browsing habits (and ensure that you favour their search and mail products, which exist purely to make money from ads based on their spying).
  - danieldk 12y ago
    The questioner is using Chrome and already made his mind up that it is an acceptable trade-off. He is asking for a simple yes or no, but instead gets useless Chrome bashing. Of course, no one can expect free support. But if you want to have/keep users as well, this is perhaps not the way to treat them ;). Even if you wanted to sneak in the Chrome bashing, it would be better to answer the question first.
  - plantain 12y ago
    >If we're being entirely honest a browser which sends every url you visit to Google by default is spyware. [citation needed] Blatantly false.
    - kuschku 12y ago
      Definition of the Ombibar: While typing, the omnibar directly searches on Google and in your web history for the text you typed, may it be a search term, an URL, or content of a page you had visited in the past.
- yrro 12y ago
  maks has always been a complete tosser.
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by jpgvm 12y ago

redthrowaway 12y ago

That seems like an exceedingly childish exchange.

krick 12y ago
It's common way to see things now, although I guess it's pretty normal. I always viewed distro as something people do primarily for themselves, if you want something from particular distro — you join the community. If your wishes are drastically different from what this community accepts — you go to another community or build your own. I'm not saying people should be rude and talk nonsense, but it seems that too many people tend to forget: Debian mailing list (or lkml, or what else people complain about) is not Starbucks or McDonalds where people are paid to smile and do what's requested. That's been said, I find question about TSYNC completely appropriate, and its support to be expected, but answer about "Google spyware" was funny and enjoyable anyway. So, yeah, maybe childish, but not "exceedingly childish".
stingraycharles 12y ago
I cannot believe these are the actual people responsible for Debian. Is this unprofessional attitude common in the Debian community?
- eropple 12y ago
  No. More than it used to be, but it's not comon.
- xai3luGi 12y ago
  Could you explain what you mean by "unprofessional" here? Personally Google's business model seems to be the unprofessional thing in this conversation.
  - jfoster 12y ago
    If Debian were a business and the original poster were one of their customers, how would the OP be feeling about that exchange? It's unprofessional by definition because it is so clear that the person responding does not consider this their profession.
    - adrusi 12y ago
      But it's not a business and that person wasn't a customer. Debian is a community, bound partially by common technical ideas about packaging, stability and security, and partially by philosophical ideas about Free software. Their goal is not to satisfy everyone who comes to their mailing list, that would be insanity.
      - jfoster 12y ago
        Sure, but most people would consider the original poster's request as quite reasonable. Instead of considering it in a balanced way and producing a polite & considered response, the response was idealistic rhetoric. For better or worse, I think that does qualify the attitude of response as "unprofessional", as stingraycharles pointed out.
        chappi42 12y ago
        Google is the unprofessional one. Threaten to not support Jessie, hey? What an arrogant self-referred world Google lives in?
honestthrowaway 12y ago
To be fair Google's whole business model is based on spying on people to gather data for ad placement. If we're being entirely honest a browser which sends every url you visit to Google by default is spyware.
- yuhong 12y ago
  It is very off topic too.
  - honestthrowaway 12y ago
    Not really. You have to see the supreme irony in a company which is ditching suppport for very recent kernels in the name of security when the app in question is designed primarily to spy on your browsing habits (and ensure that you favour their search and mail products, which exist purely to make money from ads based on their spying).
- danieldk 12y ago
  The questioner is using Chrome and already made his mind up that it is an acceptable trade-off. He is asking for a simple yes or no, but instead gets useless Chrome bashing. Of course, no one can expect free support. But if you want to have/keep users as well, this is perhaps not the way to treat them ;). Even if you wanted to sneak in the Chrome bashing, it would be better to answer the question first.
- plantain 12y ago
  >If we're being entirely honest a browser which sends every url you visit to Google by default is spyware. [citation needed] Blatantly false.
  - kuschku 12y ago
    Definition of the Ombibar: While typing, the omnibar directly searches on Google and in your web history for the text you typed, may it be a search term, an URL, or content of a page you had visited in the past.
yrro 12y ago
maks has always been a complete tosser.

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