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I read this bundling as a deliberate rhetorical/political move. You could have bundled the US with other surveillance-happy Western nations such as Australia o

I read this bundling as a deliberate rhetorical/political move. You could have bundled the US with other surveillance-happy Western nations such as Australia or the UK, which as far as I understand do not behave in a qualitatively different manner.

dredmorbius 12y ago
Not only do the UK, Australia, or Canada and New Zealand for that matter, not behave qualitatively differently, but as the "Five Eyes" surveillance states, they'll spy on one another's citizens (and occasionally their own) for one another, effectively gutting any legislative prohibitions on domestic surveillance. https://plus.google.com/u/0/104092656004159577193/posts/2ncBEdPVrHX https://plus.google.com/u/0/104092656004159577193/posts/2ncB... Tipped off to me by SoftwareMaven here at HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9077061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9077061 (Links are described in more detail in my G+ post above) http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-deal-surveillance-personal-data http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-de... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/02/revealed-australian-spy-agency-offered-to-share-data-about-ordinary-citizens http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/02/revealed-austra... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/10/nsa-offers-intelligence-british-counterparts-blunkett http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/10/nsa-offers-i... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/21/uk-usa-security-britain-idUKBRE95K10620130621 http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/21/uk-usa-security-bri...
- pyre 12y ago
  Said information shared was found illegal in the UK recently.
  - dredmorbius 12y ago
    Source?
    - pyre 12y ago
      Looks like it wasn't an actual court. I was recalling incorrectly: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/06/gchq-mass-internet-surveillance-unlawful-court-nsa http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/06/gchq-mass-int...
      - dredmorbius 12y ago
        Thanks.
harry8 12y ago
And I guess there's a school of thought that from this perspective Australia and the UK are different countries in name only and are following US policy as dictated? True or not it's reasonable rhetoric I guess.

dredmorbius 12y ago

Not only do the UK, Australia, or Canada and New Zealand for that matter, not behave qualitatively differently, but as the "Five Eyes" surveillance states, they'll spy on one another's citizens (and occasionally their own) for one another, effectively gutting any legislative prohibitions on domestic surveillance. https://plus.google.com/u/0/104092656004159577193/posts/2ncBEdPVrHX https://plus.google.com/u/0/104092656004159577193/posts/2ncB... Tipped off to me by SoftwareMaven here at HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9077061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9077061 (Links are described in more detail in my G+ post above) http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-deal-surveillance-personal-data http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-de... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/02/revealed-australian-spy-agency-offered-to-share-data-about-ordinary-citizens http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/02/revealed-austra... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/10/nsa-offers-intelligence-british-counterparts-blunkett http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/10/nsa-offers-i... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/21/uk-usa-security-britain-idUKBRE95K10620130621 http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/21/uk-usa-security-bri...

pyre 12y ago
Said information shared was found illegal in the UK recently.
- dredmorbius 12y ago
  Source?
  - pyre 12y ago
    Looks like it wasn't an actual court. I was recalling incorrectly: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/06/gchq-mass-internet-surveillance-unlawful-court-nsa http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/06/gchq-mass-int...
    - dredmorbius 12y ago
      Thanks.

harry8 12y ago

And I guess there's a school of thought that from this perspective Australia and the UK are different countries in name only and are following US policy as dictated? True or not it's reasonable rhetoric I guess.