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> At least with an email address, you can bootstrap an independent relationship. Not here. Wait, what if I want that? I'd say 95%+ of sites I sign up for I am

> At least with an email address, you can bootstrap an independent relationship. Not here. Wait, what if I want that? I'd say 95%+ of sites I sign up for I am just trying out. I don't want an independent relationship to be bootstrapped, I just want to play with the site. Chances are, after a week I will never see it again. But instead, I get a newsletter, and have to unsubscribe. Then I get a friend notification or something, and unsubscribe from those, or try to find out how to deactivate or delete my account. > Facebook's users, not your users Yes, that's true. I am a Facebook user. I have an account there, which I use. Why should I spread my email around to sites I don't really consider myself a user of, just because I want to save my game or explore the app or something?

astromarch 12y ago
You only see two choices. That's bad. 1) Give your info to one site and let them rule you like a king 2) Give your info to lots of sites only to be annoyed I suggest a third option, 3) Use ssh style key login. You own the key, not Facebook/Google/Apple. You can lock the key locally with a password. One password for all websites. Only you know it. The password is not shared with others. You authenticate and encrypt in a cryptographically strong way that can't be defeated easily like SSL with "trusted" CAs can. Good luck getting Google to implement THAT in chrome though. Also, up yours YC for banning account creation on my IP. You think it's not easy as pie to find another one? Jerks. Why should I trust you with my information?
stickfigure 12y ago
Congratulations, you've just handed ownership of your electronic life over to Facebook. Now your access to the internet is gated by Facebook. What? You've used a nickname or an inaccurate photo or you're a sex offender or a drug offender or you've had a DUI or enough people have flagged you? Say goodbye to your entire internet identity, time to start from scratch - assuming FB doesn't recognize your IP address and ban you. The risks of submitting an email address are overblown. Websites are terrified that you will click the 'spam' button. They don't put those little 'unsubscribe' links at the bottom because they want you to click on them. I was one of the early adopters of the Facebook platform and 'social login'. Now I think it's a menace. They aren't doing anyone, except themselves, any favors with this.

astromarch 12y ago

You only see two choices. That's bad. 1) Give your info to one site and let them rule you like a king 2) Give your info to lots of sites only to be annoyed I suggest a third option, 3) Use ssh style key login. You own the key, not Facebook/Google/Apple. You can lock the key locally with a password. One password for all websites. Only you know it. The password is not shared with others. You authenticate and encrypt in a cryptographically strong way that can't be defeated easily like SSL with "trusted" CAs can. Good luck getting Google to implement THAT in chrome though. Also, up yours YC for banning account creation on my IP. You think it's not easy as pie to find another one? Jerks. Why should I trust you with my information?

stickfigure 12y ago

Congratulations, you've just handed ownership of your electronic life over to Facebook. Now your access to the internet is gated by Facebook. What? You've used a nickname or an inaccurate photo or you're a sex offender or a drug offender or you've had a DUI or enough people have flagged you? Say goodbye to your entire internet identity, time to start from scratch - assuming FB doesn't recognize your IP address and ban you. The risks of submitting an email address are overblown. Websites are terrified that you will click the 'spam' button. They don't put those little 'unsubscribe' links at the bottom because they want you to click on them. I was one of the early adopters of the Facebook platform and 'social login'. Now I think it's a menace. They aren't doing anyone, except themselves, any favors with this.