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> Women would say things like "I worked on a team that did X," while men -- who obviously did the same kind of work -- would simply say "I did X." Depending on

by Dewie 12y ago

> Women would say things like "I worked on a team that did X," while men -- who obviously did the same kind of work -- would simply say "I did X." Depending on what X is, and on context, it can be obvious that "worked on X" simply means that they worked on X, but that doesn't mean that others did not also work on it, with them. Especially if "X" is too big and complex for one person to do on ones own. In particular, researchers in CS (maybe coincidentally majority of men) tend to say that they "work on" or "are interested in" X, Y, Z - but that doesn't really mean that they don't collaborate or work with other people on those things. It's not exclusionary at all. But this interpretation doesn't fit with the usual men-are-egotistical-narcissists-compared-to-women. So pay this comment no mind.

api 12y ago
"But this interpretation doesn't fit with the usual men-are-egotistical-narcissists-compared-to-women. So pay this comment no mind." I'm just reporting the patterns I saw. That's all. I wouldn't say "egotistical narcissist," just that the culture probably holds out different behavioral expectations for men and women and that gives rise to differences in how people present themselves.
- Dewie 12y ago
  > I'm just reporting the patterns I saw. That's all. Well let's not kid ourselves. :) If a pattern you happened to observe reflected poorly on women - like if you observed that many more of them were incompetent than men[1] - you wouldn't report on it here. Or else you would just get downvoted or ignored. Can you honestly object to that? Casually reporting on something which shows women as a group (or subgroup, like in tech) is viewed at best as being in poor taste, or at worst as sexism or misogyny. And there are good arguments for calling it that. But do the same for men and it's just innocuous "observations". [1] For the sake of the argument: totally hypothetical.

by Dewie 12y ago

api 12y ago

"But this interpretation doesn't fit with the usual men-are-egotistical-narcissists-compared-to-women. So pay this comment no mind." I'm just reporting the patterns I saw. That's all. I wouldn't say "egotistical narcissist," just that the culture probably holds out different behavioral expectations for men and women and that gives rise to differences in how people present themselves.

Dewie 12y ago
> I'm just reporting the patterns I saw. That's all. Well let's not kid ourselves. :) If a pattern you happened to observe reflected poorly on women - like if you observed that many more of them were incompetent than men[1] - you wouldn't report on it here. Or else you would just get downvoted or ignored. Can you honestly object to that? Casually reporting on something which shows women as a group (or subgroup, like in tech) is viewed at best as being in poor taste, or at worst as sexism or misogyny. And there are good arguments for calling it that. But do the same for men and it's just innocuous "observations". [1] For the sake of the argument: totally hypothetical.