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I think there is a more likely, albeight sadder explanation. Steve was simply able to read the faces of the team and correctly guess that they didn't comply. As

I think there is a more likely, albeight sadder explanation. Steve was simply able to read the faces of the team and correctly guess that they didn't comply. As a compliance professional he was very sensitive to that and immediately reacted.

Ensorceled 12y ago
Or, a more likely and less idiotically cynical explanation is that a man famous for having vision, aesthetic sense and incessant drive for excellence that enabled him to completely revolutionize multiple technology industries ACTUALLY had vision and a sense of aesthetics.
- Dylan16807 12y ago
  Idiotically cynical? You're getting oddly personal over this. A 'sense of aesthetics' doesn't mean you know the objectively right size to fit the very very different hand sizes of a million people down to the sub-millimeter level.
  - Ensorceled 12y ago
    Not at all personal on my side; hell, the story is probably apocryphal. I never said he was right or that I agreed with him, in fact I hate Apple Mice and actually find them too small. No idea where you are even getting that. My point is that Steve Jobs was renowned for an obsessive, manic attention to exactly these kinds of detail and usually knew what he wanted and would blow up when he didn't get it; so it takes a special kind of person to dodge Occam's razor and go looking for some other explanation.
    - Dylan16807 12y ago
      >Not at all personal on my side; hell, the story is probably apocryphal. You called dchichkov's argument "idiotically cynical". That's a personal attack, even if you didn't mean it that way. >I never said he was right or that I agreed with him, in fact I hate Apple Mice and actually find them too small. No idea where you are even getting that. When you say "completely revolutionize multiple technology industries ACTUALLY had vision and a sense of aesthetics" in response to a comment that suggested he was reading expressions, that very heavily implies that Steve was correct. You need to work on wording if you have "no idea" how I got that impression. >a special kind of person This sounds like a personal insult again. I don't know why you're so vehemently against the idea.
      - Ensorceled 12y ago
        > You called dchichkov's argument "idiotically cynical". That's a personal attack, even if you didn't mean it that way. No, I'll admit I meant it that way and I'll stand by it. What I meant is that it isn't a personal issue for me as I thought you were claiming. Those are different things. > When you say "completely revolutionize multiple technology industries ACTUALLY had vision and a sense of aesthetics" in response to a comment that suggested he was reading expressions, that very heavily implies that Steve was correct. You need to work on wording if you have "no idea" how I got that impression. No. I'm saying I believe (assuming the story is true) Jobs correctly detected the 1mm difference. I'm also saying I don't agree that the 1mm difference was the right call, certainly not for me. Jobs sense of aesthetics resulted in many great products but a few duds as well. My point is that since Jobs is literally (in)famous for attention to small details and being a complete hard ass about seeing those details through to the end product, it is silly to not only question a story about his attention to small details but to offer another option as "most likely". It does not mean I think Jobs walked on water and was always right. This has blown up way farther than a quick throw away line.
- minthd 12y ago
  Take into account that at least some his image was the result of a carefully planned PR. This is a known marketing tool for companies who sell luxury products.
- MeadowTheory 12y ago
  An implausible, borderline impossible, tactical sensitivity is not vision and a sense of aesthetics. Cool your jets.
- ryan-allen 12y ago
  I think you're right here, he did have a sense of aesthetics. The blog post I think was talking more about people who just have to change something to 'make their mark' and usually the mark makers are the managers, not the doers or the designers, making arbitrary changes so they feel validated, or powerful, or in control, who knows. Steve knew what was nice though, indisputably, and in Australia we have the saying "Who's rooting this cat?", in Steve's case he was the one rooting it, whereas the PM in the blog post barely even knew the cat.

Ensorceled 12y ago

Or, a more likely and less idiotically cynical explanation is that a man famous for having vision, aesthetic sense and incessant drive for excellence that enabled him to completely revolutionize multiple technology industries ACTUALLY had vision and a sense of aesthetics.

Dylan16807 12y ago
Idiotically cynical? You're getting oddly personal over this. A 'sense of aesthetics' doesn't mean you know the objectively right size to fit the very very different hand sizes of a million people down to the sub-millimeter level.
- Ensorceled 12y ago
  Not at all personal on my side; hell, the story is probably apocryphal. I never said he was right or that I agreed with him, in fact I hate Apple Mice and actually find them too small. No idea where you are even getting that. My point is that Steve Jobs was renowned for an obsessive, manic attention to exactly these kinds of detail and usually knew what he wanted and would blow up when he didn't get it; so it takes a special kind of person to dodge Occam's razor and go looking for some other explanation.
  - Dylan16807 12y ago
    >Not at all personal on my side; hell, the story is probably apocryphal. You called dchichkov's argument "idiotically cynical". That's a personal attack, even if you didn't mean it that way. >I never said he was right or that I agreed with him, in fact I hate Apple Mice and actually find them too small. No idea where you are even getting that. When you say "completely revolutionize multiple technology industries ACTUALLY had vision and a sense of aesthetics" in response to a comment that suggested he was reading expressions, that very heavily implies that Steve was correct. You need to work on wording if you have "no idea" how I got that impression. >a special kind of person This sounds like a personal insult again. I don't know why you're so vehemently against the idea.
    - Ensorceled 12y ago
      > You called dchichkov's argument "idiotically cynical". That's a personal attack, even if you didn't mean it that way. No, I'll admit I meant it that way and I'll stand by it. What I meant is that it isn't a personal issue for me as I thought you were claiming. Those are different things. > When you say "completely revolutionize multiple technology industries ACTUALLY had vision and a sense of aesthetics" in response to a comment that suggested he was reading expressions, that very heavily implies that Steve was correct. You need to work on wording if you have "no idea" how I got that impression. No. I'm saying I believe (assuming the story is true) Jobs correctly detected the 1mm difference. I'm also saying I don't agree that the 1mm difference was the right call, certainly not for me. Jobs sense of aesthetics resulted in many great products but a few duds as well. My point is that since Jobs is literally (in)famous for attention to small details and being a complete hard ass about seeing those details through to the end product, it is silly to not only question a story about his attention to small details but to offer another option as "most likely". It does not mean I think Jobs walked on water and was always right. This has blown up way farther than a quick throw away line.
minthd 12y ago
Take into account that at least some his image was the result of a carefully planned PR. This is a known marketing tool for companies who sell luxury products.
MeadowTheory 12y ago
An implausible, borderline impossible, tactical sensitivity is not vision and a sense of aesthetics. Cool your jets.
ryan-allen 12y ago
I think you're right here, he did have a sense of aesthetics. The blog post I think was talking more about people who just have to change something to 'make their mark' and usually the mark makers are the managers, not the doers or the designers, making arbitrary changes so they feel validated, or powerful, or in control, who knows. Steve knew what was nice though, indisputably, and in Australia we have the saying "Who's rooting this cat?", in Steve's case he was the one rooting it, whereas the PM in the blog post barely even knew the cat.