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Obama sharply criticizes China's plans for new technology rules
- leke 12y agoInteresting how he 'sharply criticises' while it is his desire, and to a point already an achievement, to do the same thing.
- gamesbrainiac 12y agoOh the irony.
- LinkPlug 12y agoHow many ways can HN say hypocrite?
- higherpurpose 12y agoThis appeared mere days after Yahoo's security chief told NSA's new boss, Mike Rogers, that this is exactly what would happen if US, the "freedom loving country", would push for backdoors. NSA's chief brushed it aside as a non-issue, saying "I'm sure we can find a legal framework" for backdoors to work. Well, here's your "legal framework", America - from China. How do you like it now? Does taking your own medicine taste good? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJZNvEPyjlw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJZNvEPyjlw
- alfiedotwtf 12y agoIt only took two people (Manning and Snowden) to remove any remaining credibility left in US foreign policy. You almost have to feel embarrassed for Obama and co.
- tomp 12y agoWell, in reality, the two people that removed any remaining credibility left in the US foreign policy are George W Bush and Obama. Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice helped, though.
- seanmcdirmid 12y agoCome on, are Obama and W much worse than Reagan, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Rossevelt? The US will keep using up the last of its credibility year after year, and of course that just means it isn't.
- fit2rule 12y agoCarter replenished the national credibility account?
- seanmcdirmid 12y agoNah, I just picked the most egregious ones as examples, skipping the ones that were lower profile. As I get older, I just see things repeating over and over; the young kids think we are reaching into new bads just because they are seeing it for the first time. Now get off my lawn.
- dredmorbius 12y agoHe's the only U.S. President in a long time to have no US troops deployed in combat, as I recall. Definitely since WWII, possibly WWI or earlier.
- arethuza 12y agoWell, there was Operation Eagle Claw to try and rescue the US hostages in Iran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw
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- gygygy 12y agoWait, wasn't it his own government which decided to spy on their own people ? Didn't he force his own country's companies to spy on his own people? I used to like obama a lot. Used to...
- NietTim 12y agoIt's only bad if others do it, because he is the good guy! Right guys?
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- gonvaled 12y agoOf course he is the good guy! He is the president from the USA, remember!? I saw American Sniper the other day, and it is very clear that they are the good guys, even when they are killing little kids. You can see it because it is so damn stressing for them to kill kids, that they can barely forget the experience. They are really, really good! And fighting for the good of everybody too! (well, not for the good of that little kid). They are so good!
- shillster 12y agoHe also said he was against warrantless wiretapping during his campaign.
- shit_parade 12y agoIt would be funny if it wasn't the fact that deranged, warmongering nuts like Obama run America.
- NietTim 12y agoHm. I'm no particular fan of Obama, but warmonger? Why that? It's not like he started a war for false reasons or anything like that, right?
- mycroft-holmes 12y agoContinued wars. Drone strike killed an American citizen. Didn't close Guantanamo. Engaged in new wars. If all this had been done under a president named Bush the left would be outraged.
- Lingster 12y agoSo killing people with drones and driving countries in civil war by that doesn't fall in this category?
- Cthulhu_ 12y agoI wouldn't call Obama a warmonger - after all, a lot of his efforts went into undoing his predecessor's work, getting the military out of Iraq and Afghanistan, dismantling Guantanamo Bay, that kinda stuff. Any new operations started under his presidency were relatively small and in cooperation with other international armies in comparison.
- shit_parade 12y agoDismantling Guantanamo? Where have you been? How many countries have we bombed? We are re-invading Iraq, we are still in Afghanistan, we are now meddling in Ukraine which is utterly insane. Much of the weaponry ISIS is using was supplied by America under Obama, the defense Budget has grown under Obama, what metric are you using to disagree? For all the down voters how about using some facts instead of more emotional knee jerks.
- SeanDav 12y agoChina is only trying to be upfront and public about things the US and Western countries have been doing in private for years. That is not to say I approve, (I do not) but my respect for Chinese authorities just went up a notch. The good thing about this is that it brings debate far more into the open and shines a light on some very shady policies.
- shillster 12y agoThis is what has to happen to raise the bar.
- Perdition 12y agoBut doing it openly spooks the consumers!
- kailuowang 12y agoThe Chinese government never never really care about counter terrorism, all they care about is keeping their power. To keep their power they need to control their people's mind, to control people's mind they need to control the internet. That's it. It's not about privacy, it's about free speech. Please do not confuse this with the debate (about privacy) happening in the western countries.
- jchrome 12y agoInevitably when you take away privacy you hamper freedom of speech. There have already been polls of journalists who are concerned with reporting on important items because of a lack of privacy.
- task_queue 12y agoSame parallels can be drawn for western powers. Counterterrorism is the raison du jour for expanding and securing power. See what we've done and continue to do to the free press when it concerns our military affairs or national security. See the firewalls western countries are building that rival the Great Firewall.
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- mvip 12y agoOh the irony.
- xacaxulu 12y agoDid China put out plans for NOT monitoring all of their citizen's communications? Because then the title of this story would make sense.
- rayiner 12y agoI disagree with Obama. Government computers have become national-security critical infrastructure. No reason for countries not to roll their own, if they can. It's one of the dimensions along which a country should be self-sufficient, along with food and defensive military capability.
- crazychrome 12y ago"This is something that I’ve [p]raised directly with President Xi," Obama said.
- ed_blackburn 12y agoI have to mirror the general sentiment of most posters. Nationstate's criticising these measures are entitled to but in my opinion are committing an act of hypocrisy. At least I am entitled to that opinion I suppose. Even if it means I may be investigated for terrorism, without a warrant, behind my back. The audacity of criticism.
- balabaster 12y agoI laugh at the blatant double standards held by the U.S. government here. They want to do exactly the same thing in the U.S. with all companies, yet they criticize China for wanting to do the same thing there? You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want China to drop that policy, then you have to be willing to drop that policy too.
- johndevor 12y agoYeah, and at least China is honest about their snooping. It's tiring hearing the company line here in the US about how we are so great with personal liberties.
- balabaster 12y ago...and they've become a going concern for anyone who has anything to do with U.S. corporations. Even if it's not been said, people are quietly pulling their data onto their own servers, outside of U.S. jurisdiction and encrypting the crap out of everything. It's a matter of national security. You cannot have another nation spying on your citizens. If you allow that to happen on your watch, you're signing the end of your political career.
- dharmach 12y agoThe basic US premise is that we are the good side so the same rule for all does not apply to us. Only police can have weapons not everyone.
- balabaster 12y agoand we all knows what happens when you walk down that path... even if benevolence is your goal, that's a dictatorship, not a democracy. You will do what we say, not what we do. That's hypocritical and is the cause of things like terrorist attacks. If you want to live in harmony with the world around you, you have to work to live in harmony with the world around you... with all the world's leaders one team, working together for the good of the world. You can't have one in there telling everyone else how they're going to act and then acting completely contrary to that themselves. That's not how things work. Have these people not seen Star Wars? That's what happens when you try and control everyone. The U.S. is The Empire trying to enforce their will on the universe... and the terrorists, as clumsy and abhorrent as they are, are playing the role of the Jedi - except they're playing without honour or any form of human decency it seems. That's what happens when you enforce your policies on other nations who have their own internal problems to worry about without you bitching about what they are or aren't doing for you. If the U.S. wants to stop being at war with terrorists, how about find a way to give the terrorists an appropriate voice at the table. What is it they want? Why do they want it? What are they hoping to solve by getting it? How can the U.S. help them find a morally decent solution to their problems? Maybe then instead of constantly making enemies, they can make some friends. Friends are what you need when times are tough... and given U.S. unemployment, poverty and levels of incarceration just now, I'd say times are pretty tough. They could do with making some friends instead of just working to be part of the popular crowd [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes]. It's about time to drop being the school yard bully throwing their weight around and expecting everyone to bend to their will.
- lgp171188 12y agoClassic case of pot calling the kettle black. Perhaps they consider themselves to beyond all the rules like they are in their own country. Given the standards they have set for themselves, they have to expect and deal with other countries trying to do the same.