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Last thing I want is for GCHQ to know that I'm worried about them spying on me. Then I will properly be spied on.

by mavdi 12y ago

bencoder 12y ago
I feel the same, which is very concerning.
- hipsters_unite 12y ago
  Yeah, I don't really have any faith in legal redress so while I support the intent behind this, I'm wary about actually filling it in.
  - mavdi 12y ago
    This is exactly the point of having such a system. They should be so proud it's working so well. When we were told the aim was to silence the dissatisfied citizens, we had doubts. But just think about it now, you're a dissatisfied citizen, and a silent one.
etiam 12y ago
Your call, but consider that the best time possible to push back is in coordination with others. I have no doubt you and I both are already 'properly' spied on. The Five Eyes agencies won't be taken to task for their transgressions by us hiding from them. At least this way we can contribute to an effort towards forcing them back under rule of law, finding out what they have collected and demand to have these records deleted. I'm signing this with every address I have.
- rlpb 12y ago
  > Your call, but consider that the best time possible to push back is in coordination with others. Maybe they should include a volume promise? For example: "We'll only take action if at least 100,000 sign up, and only then file all contact details all together. If we don't achieve this number by x/y/2015, we will not use your details without further permission from you, and will delete your details within 90 days of that date unless you tell us we can do otherwise."
  - DanBC 12y ago
    Why does volume protect you? Most of this spying is automated. It doesn't make much difference to them if there are 1,000; 10,000 or 100,000 people on this list. There are already too many people of interest for GCHQ / etc to monitor individually effectively. And that group is only about a thousand people.

Last thing I want is for GCHQ to know that I'm worried about them spying on me. Then I will properly be spied on.

by mavdi 12y ago

Last thing I want is for GCHQ to know that I'm worried about them spying on me. Then I will properly be spied on.

bencoder 12y ago

I feel the same, which is very concerning.

hipsters_unite 12y ago
Yeah, I don't really have any faith in legal redress so while I support the intent behind this, I'm wary about actually filling it in.
- mavdi 12y ago
  This is exactly the point of having such a system. They should be so proud it's working so well. When we were told the aim was to silence the dissatisfied citizens, we had doubts. But just think about it now, you're a dissatisfied citizen, and a silent one.

etiam 12y ago

Your call, but consider that the best time possible to push back is in coordination with others. I have no doubt you and I both are already 'properly' spied on. The Five Eyes agencies won't be taken to task for their transgressions by us hiding from them. At least this way we can contribute to an effort towards forcing them back under rule of law, finding out what they have collected and demand to have these records deleted. I'm signing this with every address I have.

rlpb 12y ago
> Your call, but consider that the best time possible to push back is in coordination with others. Maybe they should include a volume promise? For example: "We'll only take action if at least 100,000 sign up, and only then file all contact details all together. If we don't achieve this number by x/y/2015, we will not use your details without further permission from you, and will delete your details within 90 days of that date unless you tell us we can do otherwise."
- DanBC 12y ago
  Why does volume protect you? Most of this spying is automated. It doesn't make much difference to them if there are 1,000; 10,000 or 100,000 people on this list. There are already too many people of interest for GCHQ / etc to monitor individually effectively. And that group is only about a thousand people.